Call or fold??? I am annoyed with myself. Missed opportunity I think....

[ItsMrAlex2u]

Ladbrokes "whos the daddy tourn last night"
38 players left, avge stack 16.5k, chip leader has 55k, blinds 800 / 1600

I have 11.5k and get dealt 88 in late pos
UTG goes all in for 42k !! My immediate reaction is that i am going to call him as this smacks of either small pair, or something like AQ. No way he goes all in for 42k with big pair.

mid position calls for 8k though which changes things a bit.

Call or fold??
Win the pot and I would be 3rd iin chips with 37 left. Opinions please, will post the outcome later, cheers

[Suited_Jock]

I just reread this completely as only realised that MP called allin too...

Against 2 opponents I personally will lay this down the 42k allin overbet isnt just a blind steal with a 42k stack and 2400 to be won.. he has to have some sort of hand perhaps AJ+ / 66+ depends wether any of the stacks at the table can hurt him.

MP flat calling allin with has to indicate a strong hand.. maybe AQ+ / TT+ Although his M is pretty short any reads probably would have helped your decision...

At best with these ranges you are definitely up against 2-3 overcards or more likely a higher pocket pair.

I lay this down and wait for first in vigorish.

[boldie]

Ladbrokes "whos the daddy tourn last night"
38 players left, avge stack 16.5k, chip leader has 55k, blinds 800 / 1600

I have 11.5k and get dealt 88 in late pos
UTG goes all in for 42k !! My immediate reaction is that i am going to call him as this smacks of either small pair, or something like AQ. No way he goes all in for 42k with big pair.

mid position calls for 8k though which changes things a bit.

Call or fold??
Win the pot and I would be 3rd iin chips with 37 left. Opinions please, will post the outcome later, cheers

you're already getting paid, i take it. Right now you seem to be fairtly shortstacked and I am also assuming a flat payout structure (IOW...surviving isn't all that helpfull...unless there's lots of shortstacks at the tables)
I reckon you've got 1 more round before you have to move. after that a move would only get you back up to average chip stack and still in trouble with the blinds.

I would call as it would give you a shot at winning the tourney.

If MP called for 8k (and that's all hsi chips) he might have found a sooted Ace or something and thinks...Well I have to go and now I have a chance at doubling up. (After all he thinks UTG has what you think he has..small pair or something like that+ he know in this stage of most tourneys..if he calls people are more likely to fold because they lose another player so his hand doesn't need to be as good as it has to be early stages of a tourney)

Call for me, hope they don't turn over an overpair and then just pray to the poker Gods that you can become 3rd in chips. These are the sort of hands that win you the tourney...(or admittedly get you knocked out..but faith favouring the brave and all that nonsense.

[SupaMonkey]

Fold, your hand is too weak imo.

[Foxy]

fold fold Alex 88 no good there, have you timmed out yet or have you still got the option ? let us know what you did and how it turned out.

[Royal Flush]

Have to fold.

Boldie i don't get the relevance of if you are in the cash yet or not.

[boldie]

Have to fold.

Boldie i don't get the relevance of if you are in the cash yet or not.

for me it makes a fair bit of difference.

most tourneys have a top heavy structure. Once you cash you get 2x your buy-ins and a bit..then for the next 20 places the increase in money is fairly slim. The final table gets a lot more compared to the people in 11th upto 25th and 26th upto 38th. as it ussually takes quite a while to get to the final table from that position I start to make moves at exactly that stage. Agreed, it might not be an acceptable risk to most..but this is the time where I think..Fine, I already have the cash now what I want is to win the thing. If I can do that within the first few rounds of this situation then i will call with hands like this (and admittedly get knocked out as often as I win them (actually it's 64-36% ATM...just checked so knocked out more then I win them)) BUT if I win them it sets me up for a final table finish which means bigger cash (and actually ussually the cash that is really worth winning.)

[ItsMrAlex2u]

Well the answer is i folded but if the tourn was live and not online i would have gone into the tank and i think i would have called.
Based on the fact that i had already decided that UTG wasnt strong, i put him on a hand he wanted to play but didnt want to get re raised with (small pair or AQ). I was prepared to gamble with him as i was either 4/1 fav or marginal fav

Other guy threw me though with his all in. But.... what i didnt have time to work out was that even if mid pos had me beat, i would have had a 7.5k side pot with UTG, so i had a chance at a 30k pot or a second chance at a 7.5k pot

UTG turned AJ and mid pos turned AQ (excellent read Suiited Jack)
Board dealt out 6 high and AQ won with nowt.
My head was mangled after that and i got knocked out shortly after.
Because of the side pot i think iit was a call, but i didnt have time to calculate that out. Live game and i think i call.
Mistake I think and i am annoyed.
Is this logic right or wrong, or do you still say it was a fold?? (ignoring the fact that i would have won!!!!)

[ItsMrAlex2u]

by the way it paid 20 places

[Canuck]

I fold every time. I wouldnt even call without the flat call from mid position.