What do you do?

[kinboshi]

Not even a call?

[boldie]

no IMO a call here would be exactly the wrong thing to do.

Player 5 already called the 800 for 40% of his stack. It's a flatcall i don't understand unless he has a very big hand...even if he does limp a lot.

player1 raised it from UTG for 20% of his stack and player 2 min raised. player 1 has the option of reraising that raise again after you call.

If you call you would stick in more than 10% of your stack in the hope that noone reraises..to an all in you have to fold, right? And if player 1 does min raise that gives player 2 another shot at raising.

There is nothing to be gained from calling here and a push would probably get you a caller (I would think at least player5 would call as he's essentially pot commited and, like I said, I take him for a big hand).

easy fold.

[totalise]

Not even a call?

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you need a lot of things to go rite to justify a call

a) no-one needs to back raise after you have called.
b) you get entire stack action (almost) every single time you flop a set.. and I think only one person has you covered to give you 100% stack action, so you not only need to get a lot of action when you flop the set, you need to get action from HIM.
c) you never lose when you flop a set
d) you never put an extra cent in the pot when you miss

Put all them together, and its too much of a longshot to justify calling.


Pushing is quite inventive, but you get looked up from someone most of the time, and a pretty good % of the time you are facing an overpair and the rest of the time you are walking into two overcards, so I dont think that has much going for it either... so that just leaves folding, so you fold.

[kinboshi]

Thanks Totalise. 

I would usually be fold there, but I'm always unsure if I could be calling as well (or making the big raise if the situation is right).

How big would the pair need to be to justify a call - or does it not matter.  Are you going to be either raising or folding here?

[boldie]

Thanks Totalise. 

I would usually be fold there, but I'm always unsure if I could be calling as well (or making the big raise if the situation is right).

How big would the pair need to be to justify a call - or does it not matter.  Are you going to be either raising or folding here?

I would raise or fold here with any pair to be honest. Assuming one of them always gives you action then the only cards i would consider a flatcall with would be with pocket aces.

[totalise]

Thanks Totalise. 

I would usually be fold there, but I'm always unsure if I could be calling as well (or making the big raise if the situation is right).

How big would the pair need to be to justify a call - or does it not matter.  Are you going to be either raising or folding here?

I wouldn't be caling with any pair, because its apparent that almost all the time you are going to get a caller, so slowplaying AA/KK preflop isnt really essential in these situations. I dont really know how big it would need to be to Jam, i would hazard a guess at QQ+++ really, the action is quite scary. Depends on reads/table feel at the time mainly as to whether you shipbot it in with JJ/1010 or AK as well.

calling with AA isn't so bad, it probably maximizes your equity, but the higher your equity goes, in general the higher your chances of losing the pot go as well, and in tourneys you prolly should err on the side of "tournament life salvation" when the decisions are quite close, even though the concept of a tournament life is an abhorrent one to me in general.

[turny]

an easy fold