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« on: February 08, 2007, 08:14:42 PM »

Normally I only respond to posts on this part of the forum, but I have a situation of my own from a live game last night (£300 double chance at the Broadway) that I am not at all happy with. I came away from there feeling really annoyed with myself, manily becasue I couldn't work out if I had misplayed it and if I had played it differently, whether I still get away.

A while ago, I had decided that there was no way I would allow myself to go broke in the early stages of a decent live tournament with less than a set (don't mind stacking off with big pairs pre in on-line carpshoots), but I broke that rule last night. It was a 6000 starting stack and 60 minute levels, so a reasonable structure.

I had played just 2 hands in the first hour despite lots of action around me and had a stack of 6325, when early in level 2 I was dealt utg. I limped in the hope of a raise behind me so that I can reraise. This is something I do often in early position with AA or KK to get some value from them, but then treat them like a small pair post flop if there is no raise and a few opponents. Anyhow, last night utg+1 makes it 500 and everyone else passed round to me. As it was heads up, I took a view that I would just call. The flop came Qc9c5h. I was of course happy to see no ace. I led out for 500 and he made it 2000 I jammed all in, he dwelled and called with QcJc. Brick on the turn but on the river sealed my fate.

Now I have no problem with the beat, that happens and we must have been pretty much 50/50 anyway, but when heads up, should I have reraised pre and if so how much? Am I trying to take down his 500 and the blinds with a big bet or should I make it about 1200 which he possibly stays with still in position and I commit myself to the pot even earlier? More importantly is there any excuse for going broke so early with waht essentially is just one pair albeit an overpair to the flop?

Thanks in advance, I look forward to your replies.
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2007, 08:52:17 PM »

Missdeal! 2 's, lol. Also you still won the hand Cheesy


Anyway sitting down with a mindset "not to go broke without a set" will just cost you money, you play the hands as you are dealt them, personally i would rather just raise KK as the limp RR says AA/KK. If i do limp then i like the flat call for deception, but i don't lead the flop i check raise it.
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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2007, 09:01:04 PM »

Ah my bad ty. I am sure you worked that out anyway Smiley

I agree about the limp reraise looking obv but that is what I want tit to be. If his 500 had been called anywhere, then I would have reraised.
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2007, 09:28:49 PM »

Ah my bad ty. I am sure you worked that out anyway Smiley

I agree about the limp reraise looking obv but that is what I want tit to be. If his 500 had been called anywhere, then I would have reraised.

For sure its good for picking up a few chips without a confrontation which isn't such a bad idea with an hour clock. Still though i think your better off with taking a few risks to get a lot of chips.
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2007, 02:20:01 PM »

The bet of 500 seems pretty high, if it was the second level what were the blinds 50/100? I suppose that is 5 times the BB, I'm probly too used to playing PL. Incidently how would you have played it if you had limped into the pot preflop, presuming there were no raises?
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2007, 03:41:22 PM »

Hi Rob.

I think you have to be prepared to go broke at any stage of a tournament if the right (wrong?) situation presents itself not matter how early it is.

Also, IMO, it's more acceptable to go broke HU with a big overpair (especially AA) in the early stages of a MTT (or a cash game) when you are not the pre-flop aggressor. E.g. I may slow play AA against pre-flop aggression if I think they may be holding KK/QQ because often they are unable to fold it at any stage. However when they're in fact holding a lower pair and hit their set, then I pay them off. (Over the long-term though this risk is +EV.) Contrast this with me being the pre-flop aggressor- I'm far more likely to fold to aggression post flop simply because it's more likely to mean "set" rather than KK/QQ, and being prepared to go broke with AA post flop as the pre-flop aggressor is -EV.***


***I'm thinking more alone the lines of a cash game, as I play very few MTTs now, but I'm presuming the same is true for the early stages of MTTs.
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