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[NEVES]

Pot limit o/8 cash game micro 0.10/0.25 blinds, 10 handed,
All players stacks range from $15 - $40
I am bb holding ,
Six players limp in peflop, i check
Flop  ,
I bet the pot was this the best action to take?

          Neves.

[Graham C]

I'd have done that but I'm not really an omaha player.    I think you are ahead here, someone would have raised with KK preflop, they always do.  People on a draw will probably call though, but I still think betting is the way forward.

[Moskvich]

Danger with betting the pot is that it's only $1.50, so you could end up with 3 or 4 callers and if you do then half the deck's a danger card on the turn. I think I try and check-raise - if someone else bets for you and gets a caller or two then you can check-raise to a decent size, make them pay more for their draws and probably get it all in the middle on a safish turn.

[Paullie_D]

You have straightening and flushing cards out there so you MUST bet the pot to ensure that anyone drawing PAYS for their draw. After all, you are only beaten by one hand at the moment and if he is any player, he will re-pot to protect his hand.

If you pot bet it on the flop, you will, hopefully, eliminate the good players with weak draws. If there is a player with a monster draw he'll probably flat call and you can watch the turn card carefully. I woudn't be happy for the board to pair again (expect another Q of course) and a spade will slow me down.

Yes, their are muppets who will call for any out but, in the long run, you WANT them in at the WRONG price.

[Tragic]

5 players on a drawy board like this betting the pot is suicide. You will get 2-3 callers at least usually and any danger turn card you will easily be taken off your set. You are putting their implied odds through the roof when you "give them the wrong price" at $1.50 when they will often hit and give you the wrong price at $8.50. Sure you could argue this is correct play making them pay for their draws but why not bet half the pot and increase the chances of a reraise or go for the check raise. Maximize ur expectation by increasing the chances of ur opponents making a big mistake rather than a relatively minor one for $1.50. Have to say i'm treating this more as a pure PLO hand though don't play so much PLO8 nowadays.

[steeveg]

Pot limit o/8 cash game micro 0.10/0.25 blinds, 10 handed,
All players stacks range from $15 - $40
I am bb holding ,
Six players limp in peflop, i check
Flop  ,
I bet the pot was this the best action to take?

          Neves.

i always do the same kind of bet myself, just wondering how more experianced omaha players would play the hand, i was going well other night then same sort of hand as you have posted came up,i was in late poss ep raises everyone calls  ,i have top trips no draw, i bet the pot, which is half my stack , 2 callers, another suited card came  on the turn ,to make 2 flush draws and a straight draw, i had no draw myself , didnt have enough cash left  to bet the pot again ,so easy call for other 2 players ,1 player hit his flush on the river ,it seems to me i have to bet the pot after the flop  to stop them drawing cheap,, or is it best to just call bet after the flop to build the pot and see what comes on the turn  then get everything in , also how would you play top trips against a board with 2 flush draws and a straight draw after the turn, i always get everything in no matter how many players are in pot,

[Tragic]

Slotboom is spot on when he advocates never pkaying a medium stack in omaha. Not being able to bet the pot on the turn is criminal, you want to be getting it in with this hand if it is the current nuts, turn is so important in omaha don't leave urself shortstacked for it. As played i suppose you're not really making any mistakes, but pretty much playing with cards face up.

[Paullie_D]

Have to say i'm treating this more as a pure PLO hand though don't play so much PLO8 nowadays.

I disagree that, in PLO8, you will get 2 - 3 callers...I'd suggest 1 max if you bet the pot as most of the limpers (in my experience) will do so with a low draw although the better players will do so with a Hi/Lo combo. IMHO you have to sort the wheat from the chaff and a pot bet will do that.

You run the risk of nailing your colours to the mast and advertising your holding but then again, perhaps they'll put you on a better draw than they have..and fold.

Yes, the turn will be a decider (as it nearly always is in Omaha) but I'd rather pot/fold a dangerous turn than stay multi-way.

1/2 pot has it's merits but once you get one caller others often follow "for the valooo" and to suck out with their A235 rainbow hand!

My 2 cents 

[doubleup]

Making money is PLO8 is not about hands like this.  It is about getting 3/4 of full buyin pots by waiting for nut/nut situations and gently guiding opponents into situations where they feel pot-commited.  You are almost never going to do that with this hand.  The fact that you probably have the best hand now is irrelevant.  The main problem is that you are out of position and there is no card other than one that pairs the board that will make you feel comfortable on the turn.  High cards make a str8 and low cards bring a low draw.  So lets say you bet and get callers and a low non-diamond comes on the turn (second best outcome).  You bet again and get 2 callers.  Think about how many scare cards there will be on the river, any spade, any 9,t,j,a any low srt8 card.  If you were in position, you might just get away with it, but oop it's hugely odds on that you are heading for a difficult decision in a big pot.

FWIW I would check/call mostly to disguise my hand in the hope that either the board pairs a low card by the river and I get a bit from a low full or hope I get to the river for a chop with a low maybe even half a 3 way pot.

[snoopy1239]

I'd check the Flop and bet the Turn if it's not a spade. It's easier to make people fold half-decent hands in Omaha Hi-Lo on the Turn, which is what you want to do in order to win the whole pot.