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« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2008, 11:25:25 PM »

I wouldn't have flat called the flop, bump it up to 6-6.5k, .

Why?

I have the best hand so I'm value betting and raising here. You could make the re-raise a bit smaller 5-5.5k but I'm not slow playing often here OOP. I'd hate to see a 10 J Q or A on the turn so I'm making him pay for it.

So you want to scare off the worse hands now so that they don't outdraw you later?
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« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2008, 05:42:06 AM »

i C/R turn. i dont want a scare card to hit and kill my river value. it is pretty tight tho
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« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2008, 06:35:27 PM »

I wouldn't have flat called the flop, bump it up to 6-6.5k, .

Why?

I have the best hand so I'm value betting and raising here. You could make the re-raise a bit smaller 5-5.5k but I'm not slow playing often here OOP. I'd hate to see a 10 J Q or A on the turn so I'm making him pay for it.

So you want to scare off the worse hands now so that they don't outdraw you later?

No, I want him to make a mistake by calling with a worse hand like 1010-QQ and AK, which, following the line is what I put him on (bar maybe AK) but at the same time I'm not making it cheap either when I don't have position.
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« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2008, 11:45:06 PM »

I wouldn't have flat called the flop, bump it up to 6-6.5k, .

Why?

I have the best hand so I'm value betting and raising here. You could make the re-raise a bit smaller 5-5.5k but I'm not slow playing often here OOP. I'd hate to see a 10 J Q or A on the turn so I'm making him pay for it.

So you want to scare off the worse hands now so that they don't outdraw you later?

No, I want him to make a mistake by calling with a worse hand like 1010-QQ and AK, which, following the line is what I put him on (bar maybe AK) but at the same time I'm not making it cheap either when I don't have position.

all worse hands fold with this line benny, unless opponent is a complete drooler. You dont facilitate him making an easy mistake, you make it easier for him to play optimally.

i C/R turn. i dont want a scare card to hit and kill my river value. it is pretty tight tho

Yeah.
I think c/r turn is the right play given stack sizes, vulnerablility of hand (oop v unknown) and stage of tournament.
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« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2008, 02:01:44 AM »

raise more pre. Shove flop pray he doesn't have a 9 or 77.

Can't let those 2 outers hit all the time its bad play.
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« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2008, 06:07:04 PM »

I wouldn't have flat called the flop, bump it up to 6-6.5k, .

Why?

I have the best hand so I'm value betting and raising here. You could make the re-raise a bit smaller 5-5.5k but I'm not slow playing often here OOP. I'd hate to see a 10 J Q or A on the turn so I'm making him pay for it.

So you want to scare off the worse hands now so that they don't outdraw you later?

No, I want him to make a mistake by calling with a worse hand like 1010-QQ and AK, which, following the line is what I put him on (bar maybe AK) but at the same time I'm not making it cheap either when I don't have position.

all worse hands fold with this line benny, unless opponent is a complete drooler. You dont facilitate him making an easy mistake, you make it easier for him to play optimally.

i C/R turn. i dont want a scare card to hit and kill my river value. it is pretty tight tho

Yeah.
I think c/r turn is the right play given stack sizes, vulnerablility of hand (oop v unknown) and stage of tournament.

His flat call of a re-raise pre-flop (especially with the original raiser still to act) and then a min-raise on the flop is very weak play IMO so there is a chance he could pay you off with a lower pocket pair. I'm not saying you played the flop incorrectly this is just how I'd play it if I was OOP and how the guy has bet so far.
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