Bad play, bad luck or both?

[P.Nut]

Evening all,

Posting this on behalf of a mate, who was the hero in this hand.  $5 rebuy on Stars, just after the break, average stack at the time was about 15k and we're still quite a way off the money.  I'll save my opinions on how it was played but would like to hear everyone elses views on it.  He tells me it was a pretty aggressive table with most hands being raised preflop, and the BB (villain) was known to be very loose.


PokerStars Game #16175280506: Tournament #80995649, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/03/22 - 19:54:17 (ET)
Table '80995649 254' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: pocket8sroc (12690 in chips)
Seat 2: Hunter899 (5495 in chips)
Seat 3: Maverick Ian (7800 in chips)
Seat 4: 1SugarDaddy (24336 in chips)
Seat 5: TheRenegadee (24372 in chips)
Seat 6: dack jymond (5574 in chips)
Seat 7: THE W1NG (6175 in chips)
Seat 8: rodAC (9320 in chips)
Seat 9: BIGERIC911 (11353 in chips)
pocket8sroc: posts the ante 25
Hunter899: posts the ante 25
Maverick Ian: posts the ante 25
1SugarDaddy: posts the ante 25
TheRenegadee: posts the ante 25
dack jymond: posts the ante 25
THE W1NG: posts the ante 25
rodAC: posts the ante 25
BIGERIC911: posts the ante 25
1SugarDaddy: posts small blind 200
TheRenegadee: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to THE W1NG [ ]
dack jymond: folds
THE W1NG: calls 400
rodAC: folds
BIGERIC911: folds
pocket8sroc: folds
Hunter899: folds
Maverick Ian: calls 400
1SugarDaddy: folds
TheRenegadee: checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
TheRenegadee: bets 1200
THE W1NG: calls 1200
Maverick Ian: folds
*** TURN *** [ ] []
TheRenegadee: bets 2000
THE W1NG: raises 2550 to 4550 and is all-in
TheRenegadee: calls 2550



So....thoughts on preflop limp? And flat call on the flop?

Cheers

[Graham C]

Should have raised preflop and raised flop. If oppo has aces, that's life. 

[Longy]

Looks ok to me given his read. I would say most of the time raise preflop but meh we has a read.

The flat call on the flop is debatable with a man behind you and some potential draws out there. You do widen bbs range though in the process and get him to stack off lighter on the turn imo.

[jpean]

I'm not used to play rebuy tournement. but you said the it was just after the break so I will suppose that at this time, the way to play is exactly like in a freezeout.

You said the average stack was 15k and you had only 6k. IMO with that stack I would have raised (and push if a re-raiser) and go All in on that happy flop...

I woulfd have make that for another reason : you said the paid places were not too far away so even if everybody fold, I'm too happy to win what can pay me another turn, which allow me to survive 10 hands more...

[Jinky04]

If the BB is known to be loose, hero has to be raising pflop for value, unless by loose you mean aggressive, i.e. there's a probability of a raise from BB?

After limping, jam it on the flop, 1200 into 1625 pot seems like pair to me, top pair,and ,in general, at this level they call.
 
Slowplaying KK is ok with deepstack, good read on table and willingness and ability to throw it away, given a difficult situation. In this case I think it's ABC all the way

[Royal Flush]

Once we have flat called pre i love the flop/turn line.

[fidget]

Once we have flat called pre i love the flop/turn line.

same here but how about tank calling the turn in case he has complete air

[Royal Flush]

Once we have flat called pre i love the flop/turn line.

same here but how about tank calling the turn in case he has complete air

Flair!

Only reason i don't like that is if he is on a draw and misses the river we don't get paid. Unless he is a complete donk who river shoves for 2k

[fidget]

Once we have flat called pre i love the flop/turn line.

same here but how about tank calling the turn in case he has complete air

Flair!

Only reason i don't like that is if he is on a draw and misses the river we don't get paid. Unless he is a complete donk who river shoves for 2k

youre just plain greedy

[fidget]

Evening all,

Posting this on behalf of a mate, who was the hero in this hand.  $5 rebuy on Stars, just after the break, average stack at the time was about 15k and we're still quite a way off the money.  I'll save my opinions on how it was played but would like to hear everyone elses views on it. 





Cheers

Ok what did you think of it Lee?

[P.Nut]

I'm not a fan of the preflop limp, especially not on a table where you can reasonably expect action if you raise anyway.  I'd have been looking to play for stacks preflop but obviously we're never passing this flop so I think the line on the flop/turn may maximise value against this player as he'd been known to fire a couple of barrels with complete air.  Having said that, he had been a complete luckbox for the previous 2 hours and duly showed J7o to scoop after a blank on the end.  I sort of had a vested interest as i was on a percentage of The W1ng (something we usually do if we both enter the same comp, regardless of the size), and was of the opinion that by not raising preflop you're inviting any 2 cards to outdraw you, therefore when they do outdraw you it's not bad luck.

How's things Fidget? Long time no see

[AlexMartin]

i like it. dont mind the limp pre either tbh.

[fidget]

How's things Fidget? Long time no see

Not bad at all Lee - my lad is two and a half now so im actually playing a bit more poker now rather than collapsing exhausted every night.Hope all is good with you.