Magriel / Harrington 'M' Ratio

[Ecosse]

Hi All,

Just a quick question, how many people follow the suggested strategy and consider/calculate their 'M' at all times ?

How important do you find  'M' ?

Dougie.

[bhoywonder]

i make references to 'M' a lot through a tourney,it helps I find to know how endangered your tourney life is or if your in the green zone how open urs is,and if you find a player that uses ' M ' then you can adapt and tailor your starting requirements to them also


the danger with ' M ' is that if a very good player spots u are playing a system they can easily take advantage ( liberty )...

so mixing it up is good too,playing the odd outta position hand and showing

[Solver]

Kind of yes, but main rule I go by is if a 3blind raise is more than 1/3 of my stack is push or fold (mainly push).

Stu (solver)

[GlasgowBandit]

Does it have anything to do with 007?

[Ecosse]

I wrote some software last week that's been proving very usefull to me.

Just update my stack, level and players remaining during a tourney.

If anyone would like a copy just PM me, it's hard-coded for pkr tourney structures at the moment, but it's an easy adjustment for any site.

Dougie,

edit: jpg a bit rough to keep it under 50k, but it lets me see all my opponents 'M' at a glance as well.

[ACE2M]

looks good mate, put a table with 9 seats on it the shoving/raising hands from each seat depending on M and position.

[Ecosse]

Good idea, I've got further plans because I can read the live hand history as a game is going on, just not got round to it yet.

e.g. Auto update of all stack sizes etc, as it is though it's been benficial.

[ariston]

if you code the ocr to read the average stack which is available in most site lobbies that should suffice to help with your m calculations. remember in some turbo type comps M is relative and shouldnt be the main cause for pushing or folding- M as a theory works best in good structured comps.

[Royal Flush]

if you code the ocr to read the average stack which is available in most site lobbies that should suffice to help with your m calculations. remember in some turbo type comps M is relative and shouldnt be the main cause for pushing or folding- M as a theory works best in good structured comps.

ssssh don't tell people that!

[ACE2M]

if you code the ocr to read the average stack which is available in most site lobbies that should suffice to help with your m calculations. remember in some turbo type comps M is relative and shouldnt be the main cause for pushing or folding- M as a theory works best in good structured comps.

ssssh don't tell people that!

give us a bit more explanation on this please, i don't play many turbos but tend to do shite when i do. Probably making a fundamental error...

[bhoywonder]

if you code the ocr to read the average stack which is available in most site lobbies that should suffice to help with your m calculations. remember in some turbo type comps M is relative and shouldnt be the main cause for pushing or folding- M as a theory works best in good structured comps.

ssssh don't tell people that!

give us a bit more explanation on this please, i don't play many turbos but tend to do shite when i do. Probably making a fundamental error...

he means the effective 'M' is lower than in normal structures as,when the Blinds hit you again ,your ' M ' has probably gone down significantly due to the faster pace...

e.g if blinds are 100/200 then calculate your 'M' for the next level 150/300

hope that makes sense

[ariston]

if you code the ocr to read the average stack which is available in most site lobbies that should suffice to help with your m calculations. remember in some turbo type comps M is relative and shouldnt be the main cause for pushing or folding- M as a theory works best in good structured comps.

ssssh don't tell people that!

give us a bit more explanation on this please, i don't play many turbos but tend to do shite when i do. Probably making a fundamental error...

he means the effective 'M' is lower than in normal structures as,when the Blinds hit you again ,your ' M ' has probably gone down significantly due to the faster pace...

e.g if blinds are 100/200 then calculate your 'M' for the next level 150/300

hope that makes sense

errr no i didnt. in turbos it is quite common for the avergage stack to have an M of 2 or 3. In these cases you should ignore M complately and just play standard my stacks bigger than your stack strategy. It is possible to ladder so many places with an M of 1 just after you have gone through the blinds, you have zero fold equity anyway so its sometimes better to almost blind away. Ie dont panic when your M falls below 7 as everybody elses will also be lower than in a normal comp.

imo M is a much overrated theory now every man and his dog knows about it. Squeeze plays, triple shelling and the resteal used to be far more effective before they became part of poker 101.

[dino1980]

I play a lot of turbo satellites, where it's not uncommon for the average stack to be about 4 or 5 blinds for the latter stages, I know Ariston is a v.gd satellite player too so perhaps he'll elaborate too.
One massively important thing in this when considering when to push is stack sizes amd not in the obvious way. For instance do you want to push a A-10 type unpaired hand against a short big blind who's committed with any two for a third of your stack. Also knowing which blinds to pick on is key when open shoving, ideally you want to pick on the just above aveargae/mid stacks, those that are comfortable where they are and 'shouldn't' risk losing c.half their stack without a very strong hand, rather than those too short or those who you won't dent.

[Royal Flush]

if you code the ocr to read the average stack which is available in most site lobbies that should suffice to help with your m calculations. remember in some turbo type comps M is relative and shouldnt be the main cause for pushing or folding- M as a theory works best in good structured comps.

ssssh don't tell people that!

give us a bit more explanation on this please, i don't play many turbos but tend to do shite when i do. Probably making a fundamental error...

he means the effective 'M' is lower than in normal structures as,when the Blinds hit you again ,your ' M ' has probably gone down significantly due to the faster pace...

e.g if blinds are 100/200 then calculate your 'M' for the next level 150/300

hope that makes sense

errr no i didnt. in turbos it is quite common for the avergage stack to have an M of 2 or 3. In these cases you should ignore M complately and just play standard my stacks bigger than your stack strategy. It is possible to ladder so many places with an M of 1 just after you have gone through the blinds, you have zero fold equity anyway so its sometimes better to almost blind away. Ie dont panic when your M falls below 7 as everybody elses will also be lower than in a normal comp.

imo M is a much overrated theory now every man and his dog knows about it. Squeeze plays, triple shelling and the resteal used to be far more effective before they became part of poker 101.

I said sssssh