How far do we push the soft BB?

[thetank]

If it helps at all, remeber that when you shove with 84s and get called by ATo it isn't gg immediately, you still have about 38% equity to scooooop a lovely pot

[EvilPie]

If it helps at all, remeber that when you shove with 84s and get called by ATo it isn't gg immediately, you still have about 38% equity to scooooop a lovely pot

This is always my thinking in these spots.

When he finally found a hand it was AK and I had 

I had 20 outs by the turn but missed.

I don't think I play it any differently against this particular oppo because the FE was huge.

Some very interesting points from everyone else regarding the widening range and speech that he made.

I saw his speech the same as mos. I thought it might actually narrow his range temporarily. Unfortunately it didn't narrow it beyond AK.

I did give him a pass at one point. I showed Q4 and he was delighted to be able to show 10 4. This definitely helped get a couple more through when he realised that I was capable of passing.

[thetank]

The metafold.

[MANTIS01]

It's true that when you get called you can have 38% equity. However, I don't think this is something to aspire to really, especially if there's other strats to explore other than getting all your chips in as a certain underdog sometime soon.

[Longy]

It's true that when you get called you can have 38% equity. However, I don't think this is something to aspire to really, especially if there's other strats to explore other than getting all your chips in as a certain underdog sometime soon.

It is not simple 38% is it, it is a crap load of fold equity that makes shoving so profitable. I kind of agree that looking at opening for a small raise is worth considering with this stack, very much opponent dependent which is more +ev.

[Biddy 62]

Whats FE? Quite pleased with myself just fathomed ATC any two cards yes?

[MANTIS01]

It's true that when you get called you can have 38% equity. However, I don't think this is something to aspire to really, especially if there's other strats to explore other than getting all your chips in as a certain underdog sometime soon.

It is not simple 38% is it, it is a crap load of fold equity that makes shoving so profitable. I kind of agree that looking at opening for a small raise is worth considering with this stack, very much opponent dependent which is more +ev.

I think this crap load of fold equity reduces with each successive push though. So by the 4th successive shove the FE can't be as solid a consideration as that in the 1st shove. So it follows that you are flirting with this all-in @ 38% more and more if you persist with a tactic that's losing it's impact. And a good player wants to avoid that 38% if there's something else to try instead. That's why a small raise after 3 successive pushes is better, it's more cunning and can boggle your oppo into folding.

Also the under pressure villain threatening to call wont tighten his range imo cos when you make a statement of intent in front of 9 other people about the size of your balls it usually pressures you to follow through. So now he's calling with a decent hand where before he would need a very good one. If you employ this pushing tactic too often you always run into a hand and lose back what you took with interest. The merits of one push alone are very different to the merits of the 4th push on the bounce imo.

[AlexMartin]

The metafold.

Tank pwns you all. wp sir, can we try and get this term mainstream by 2010 please.

[Royal Flush]

The metafold.

Tank pwns you all. wp sir, can we try and get this term mainstream by 2010 please.

It already is in my circle kid