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« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2009, 11:36:36 AM »

Check/call river I think, awful decision to make if he raises when you bet. If he raises he's 90% of time got u beat, prob more ez fold imo

Never c/calling river here dude, i would bet/fold river for about 10-14k depending on reads etc.

With the board running out like this i feel like 1073rQA is a board wher villian is calling turn with a high % of hands which insta check behind the river, i mean he has some Ax in his range but i think bet fold is deffo the way to go. Possible holdings inc, 88, 99, A10, K10, J10s, 109s, AQ, KQ, JQ, Q9, Q8s, KJ, A7s, J9s, the turned fd with a gutshot possibly such as J8s and Axs in the fd.

Hands that beat you in bold all of which are going to raise/jam over your river bet, mixed in with bluff shoves like never in live poker? i think


I think what happened here is that you bet the river and got raised and called the raise, or you check called and he had you beat?

Also how many hands check back this flop
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« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2009, 12:09:09 PM »

Listening to 810clubs I think that bet/folding is actually the best play. I think he calls with alot of his range and we add another 20% to our stack, I think his raising range on the river is super thin and I think he flats lots of 2 pairs. Im expecting him to raise sets/KJ depending on the player AQ, basically I just dont think we get raise here and I think he checks behind so much of his range, Qx, Ax, KK, JJ, 99 etc, so missing out on tonnes of value from just c/ with the plan of calling. 25k ish in the middle? :s I guess a bet of 12-14k is about perfect.

meh, should really of just +1'd 810ofclubs lol.
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« Reply #17 on: December 21, 2009, 12:31:47 PM »

I think preflops ok since you keep in so many hands you dominate, i'd rather 3 bet tho as no doubt he will be paranoid and bash it in fairly loose.  Turns standard I think, is good card to bluff since you flat with fair few hands which have a queen is, I think once he checks back the flop he has A high a lot so on the river i'd bet pretty big and fold if he raises.
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« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2009, 04:47:07 PM »

I don't like the bet fold line. Villain has the chips to c-bet the flop, the position to c-bet, and the initiative to c-bet. He also spikes a pretty ideal flop to c-bet. And he's decribed as very active. So why doesn't he c-bet? Especially in this world where every mofo and his dog c-bets. If he did check the flop, call one turn bet and snap-check behind on the river he wouldn't be the active big stack as described, he would be a conservative nit. So maybe it's true that the guy is playing a hand out of character and there's value to exploit, but I can't see it so much. I don't see why villain checking the flop means he has A-high, he should deffo be betting the flop with A-high.
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« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2009, 05:14:04 PM »

Well at this stage of the hand I really was not at all sure where I was so I decided to check and see what villain did.

Villain now bets 11k.

Call, fold, shove Huh?  I did actually consider all three of these options for varying amounts of time.
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« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2009, 05:18:27 PM »

3bet pre, check/fold turn, bet/fold river
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« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2009, 05:50:31 PM »

Listening to 810clubs I think that bet/folding is actually the best play. I think he calls with alot of his range and we add another 20% to our stack, I think his raising range on the river is super thin and I think he flats lots of 2 pairs. Im expecting him to raise sets/KJ depending on the player AQ, basically I just dont think we get raise here and I think he checks behind so much of his range, Qx, Ax, KK, JJ, 99 etc, so missing out on tonnes of value from just c/ with the plan of calling. 25k ish in the middle? :s I guess a bet of 12-14k is about perfect.

meh, should really of just +1'd 810ofclubs lol.


think him having this the way the hands played is very unlikely, fold to the 11k bet
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« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2009, 06:12:44 PM »

3bet pre, check/fold turn, bet/fold river

pretty much this, if he completely whiffed the flop he is probably betting so by him checking back it probably means he hit a part of it either a marginal Tx he pot controlling or a set he is tarping, hence check/fold turn
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« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2009, 06:14:50 PM »

3bet pre, check/fold turn, bet/fold river

pretty much this, if he completely whiffed the flop he is probably betting so by him checking back it probably means he hit a part of it either a marginal Tx he pot controlling or a set he is tarping, hence check/fold turn

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« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2009, 07:43:29 PM »

Obv 3bet pre. If not the only reason to bet the turn would be to double barrel as opponent always has a marginal hand he wants to showdown. I actually like shipping any non pairing river even tho its an overshove, but I would have bet slightly more on the turn as he is nearly always calling the turn and folding the river so we might as well get an extra 2k out of him.
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