200nl 3bet pot

[Whollyflush]

dunno why i just felt like doing some PHA.

did some on 2+2 but it just gets 2 funny, "ok so i got 55 on a K95kx board, villain 3bet pf, bet flop and turn but checks riv so now i have to check back 55 cos he is only ever check calling kk there"
IF this is the case all just give up holdem, its a solved game. naughts n crosses any1?

tbf Adam 001 has been one of the biggest midstake/high stake 6max crushers on stars for 3/4 years. The hand was silly though and he was probably just venting after a bad session or something.

[geeforce1]

thats just 1 of like 10 i seen where some1 is just basically posting a cooler and back tracking trying to get away from it. ppl need 2 learn some hands are just not meant to be

[AlexMartin]

thats just 1 of like 10 i seen where some1 is just basically posting a cooler and back tracking trying to get away from it. ppl need 2 learn some hands are just not meant to be

the nittiness of the forum is pretty funny. still some gr8 posters on there, amongst the fold-happy.

[piestack]

why is raising small here when getting it in better than raising larger?

[TheFallen]

why is raising small here when getting it in better than raising larger?

1) makes balancing raising with total bluffs cheaper.
2)lets people makes mistakes such as peeling the small raise with overcards/lfoats/gutters and then having to fold the turn

small raises of 3bettors cbets is getting quite common

[skolsuper]

Lol at ppl saying fold pre. Raise-call flop is obv default line, however I think flat and shove turn (over a bet. bet/call if villain checks turn) is a very viable alternative, especially vs a reg.

[Skippy]

Lol at ppl saying fold pre.

I don't understand this, and I was wondering if you could explain it. My thinking if I raise with    from the button is that I'm trying to steal the blinds, and my hand is still playable if called, especially in position.

When the three bet goes in, I'm not loving having a suited connector type hand. Are we really, as Rupert says, that deep? Our stack is only 5-6 x the pot. I'm not sure why calling is standard.

[TheFallen]

Lol at ppl saying fold pre.

I don't understand this, and I was wondering if you could explain it. My thinking if I raise with    from the button is that I'm trying to steal the blinds, and my hand is still playable if called, especially in position.

When the three bet goes in, I'm not loving having a suited connector type hand. Are we really, as Rupert says, that deep? Our stack is only 5-6 x the pot. I'm not sure why calling is standard.

btn vs bb. he is going to be light here way way too often for us to just be giving up without premiums or the odd 4B bluff.

we have position and even this deep with the current dynamic on on-line 6max we should be calling here with lots of hands (this being amongst the worst). AJ,AQ,A10,KQ,KJ,88+ etc should all be fist pump calls here a lot of times and highly playable postflop vs active 3-bettors. This means its easier to play stuff like 97cc profitably within ur range also. The fact we can have a depolarised hand on the flop is v hard to play against for villain (who wont have a huge hand that often) and is another reason imo small raising lots of flops>waiting to jam turns.

[Mondeoman]

Im always calling the 3 bet pre.  If you are folding this hand in position 150bb deep you are folding to 3 bets too much imo .  On the flop i probably call there are a lot of good turn cards for you besides clubs that will allow you to continue with the hand.
Also the board may run out in a way that you could bluff the river so i think its in your interests to see more cards.  Shoving the turn is not terrible but it depends on the card and opponents bet size and his tendencies, ie if the board pairs i dont like shoving - if the turn is a 10 i do like shoving.  If i turn a pair i call as now you have showdown value and you prob arent folding out any better hands when you shove.
If villain is likely to 3 barrel bluff i will be more inclined to shove turn.
Raising flop is not a huge mistake but dont think its the right play (pot to stack ratios arent that good for this - if your 100bb deep i might raise) unless you think theres a chance your opponent will rereraise fold on the flop (pretty unlikely).
His shove is pretty terrible and you should be able to exploit this in future hands.
In short it depends on opponents tendencies but my default is call flop, call most turns, decide on river.

[Skippy]

we have position and even this deep with the current dynamic on on-line 6max we should be calling here with lots of hands (this being amongst the worst). AJ,AQ,A10,KQ,KJ,88+ etc should all be fist pump calls here a lot of times and highly playable postflop vs active 3-bettors.

Yep, I'm calling with all of them.

If you call with  are there any other hands you aren't calling with? In other words do you advocate raising 100% from the button, and so  is in the middle of your range, not smack at the bottom?

[cambridgealex]

we have position and even this deep with the current dynamic on on-line 6max we should be calling here with lots of hands (this being amongst the worst). AJ,AQ,A10,KQ,KJ,88+ etc should all be fist pump calls here a lot of times and highly playable postflop vs active 3-bettors.

Yep, I'm calling with all of them.

If you call with  are there any other hands you aren't calling with? In other words do you advocate raising 100% from the button, and so  is in the middle of your range, not smack at the bottom?

He's not saying raise 100% from bottom, nor is he saying call 100% of 3bets. personaly I'd raise hands like 78o J9o 34ss 74ss that I'd fold to 3bets. There's a lot of combinations of these hands.