Getting away from your own ambush?

[chatban]

Im sure you already heard dont limp kings etc. Blah blah blah. However, I also think the way you presented this hand is telling. You say what his pre flop stats are even though you have not actually given him any opps to give you his pre flop range.

You need to look beyond these stats and look at aggression freq amoung other more relevant stats.

Also you say its a 'helleva sin' but say your 'ambushing' has worked well. Look over the hands and see if people stacked off lite or infact you just coolered the guy? It reminds me of the whole 'trapping kings with aces' spot.

Think like this if somone limp raises it looks a lot stronger  and less balanced than someome who bet/4bets it in.

[chatban]

I know what you mean to an extent. You can play exploitable vs poorer players and get away with it in certain comps. I remember just 3 bet shoving any QQ+ hand in the first few levels of sunday storm/quarter million.

[rfgqqabc]

I hate pre and I really hate the flop play. I just don't see you being ahead here ever.

Also, outrageous, the SPR changes a lot when you m/r pre and so does his range.

[dino1980]

I know the hate pre-flop argument has already been said, but your 'view to catching out short(ish) stacks' mindset is misguided here. Of the stacks to act behind you there's one 13BB stack and another 15ishBB stack. The rest are all 30BB+ meaning you're far better just open raising and calling a shove or 4B jamming (or inducing) should someone 3b over your open if you're looking to 'catch' anyone out imo.

[SuuPRlim]

when someone who hasn't let limps limps in early(ish) position in a tournament my range to iso him is....

AA. and KK.

If someone is bad enough to fall for this little trap (literally the oldest in time) then they are bad enough to overcall  preflop and do most of their chips on a T high board, so there is just no need at all to take this line pre-flop, it makes it s obvious what you have, and when it goes wrong you put yourself in horrible un-avoidable spots.

One note on "trapping" you can only trap someone if they have a good hand anyway, if I have , , or such hands then I'm going to fold regardless of the action. If you raise and I have , I will be giving you action, there are spots where you get MARGINALLY worse hands to enter the pot but most of the time you're just costing yourself value by not raising with good cards.

Its just overly fancy for no reason

[Geo the Sarge]

I've found ambushing with back raises to be quite useful early in tourneys, would you guys go along with that??? Or do you view it as a complete no no??

Seems to be a bit of a guilty pleasure of mine and this time it blew up in my face! I guess its like shagging yer missus in public - you know its wrong, you get a great kick out of it when it works...but when it doesn't it can get u in a whole heap of trouble!!!

Cliffs and pics please Lee

Geo