i was told

[pleno1]

river raises were always the nuts, but its v hard to have the nuts here :/

he seems like a good reg, whats his river value range?

Seat 1: iLandkos (113318 in chips)
Seat 2: Zimmy86 (95597 in chips)
Seat 4: Tarobeagle (17621 in chips)
Seat 5: pads1161 (60820 in chips)
Seat 6: Dennis2410 (17245 in chips)
iLandkos: posts the ante 125
Zimmy86: posts the ante 125
Tarobeagle: posts the ante 125
pads1161: posts the ante 125
Dennis2410: posts the ante 125
Tarobeagle: posts small blind 500
pads1161: posts big blind 1000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pads1161 [ ]
Dennis2410: folds
iLandkos: folds
Zimmy86: raises 1000 to 2000
Tarobeagle: folds
pads1161: calls 1000
*** FLOP *** [ ]
pads1161: checks
Zimmy86: bets 2000
pads1161: calls 2000
*** TURN *** [ ] []
pads1161: checks
Zimmy86: checks
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
pads1161: bets 6000
Zimmy86: raises 10000 to 16000
pads1161:

[The Camel]

That statement comes from about 1998.

For about 10 years I made my living making river bluff raises and never getting called!

Tough spot here, think I'm folding.

[titaniumbean]

Even if he has all Jx it's still a really thin range, which you'd expect much of his value range to bet twice 60bb deep, though ofc with a fh etc there should be some % chance that he checks back. The better he is the more likely to actually have a hand here rather than a rando bluff.


Sure am folding.

[rfgqqabc]

First thought is he's got showdown on the turn but appears more likely he has a boat now, kinda sweet line if he has a bluff!.

[prettygreen]

defo snapping here. Pretty sure his range is ATC.

What can u have realistically? busted straight draw, busted float?

[rfgqqabc]

First thought is he's got showdown on the turn but appears more likely he has a boat now, kinda sweet line if he has a bluff!.

But generally i call if people only rep boats.

[SuuPRlim]

That statement comes from about 1998.

For about 10 years I made my living making river bluff raises and never getting called!

Tough spot here, think I'm folding.

you must be one of the few, for the last 4 years I've been playing the % of river raises that are bluffs is something in the 1-2% region.

Btw his range isn't any two cards here, he has 22 or 55 mostly, but I feel also like he could raise  Jx (not a spade) for value here some %. But mostly you'll just get shown a boat, I'm sure some savvy regs have started bluffing here because it's a spot where they know that you know they are repping joke thin so likely to get credit for them not bluffing you in that spot. Problem is though people AREN'T starting to bluff here for these reasons...

But generally i call if people only rep boats.

defo snapping here. Pretty sure his range is ATC.

What can u have realistically? busted straight draw, busted float?

you can't trust anyone - speshly online MTT players (who never fold generally) to fold in these spots, so hence no1 ever really bluffs. as soon as people start folding here you can start bluffing, but they just don't.

[SuuPRlim]

assuming ofc we're dealing with a good experienced thinking player

[Rupert]

I would expect Zimmy to have AJ+ here a ton

[Nit Tendencies]

Hes going to bet all of his overpairs/sets on the turn since he won't expect you to fold any of your flop calling range on this turn. But I can't really see how he's bluffing ere since he reps nothing and he's probably got half a brain. Pretty sure he has AJ/KJ 95% of the time.