What's your line?

[zerofive]

Probably dead easy but I'm out of practice.

£1/2 live, stacks are about £500

One limper, we iso h/j w , button calls, limper folds, hu

Flop (£25)

Bet £17, call.

Turn (£59)

Gayest turn ever. Are we b/f turn and river? Jamming a river as a bluff?

[SuuPRlim]

bet, fold if he raises.

Check/call and lead pairing rivers is a novel idea but it will not work EVER in a live poker game in my experience!

chk.call chk.call could work also depending who you're dealing with - in fact vs a lot of people i like that providing ofc the river isnt a spade.

[cambridgealex]

against some medium weak players like Dave I often c/call then c/shove board pairing rivers.

did this against kurt once in a similar spot, where he happily bet the turn, the the river came and I could see him thinking about checking back but he knew he had to still bet, so he bet smallish and I jammed for loads and he folded in severe pain. felt great to do that to someone 10x your size and 100x harder

[jakally]

against some medium weak players like Dave I often c/call then c/shove board pairing rivers.

did this against kurt once in a similar spot, where he happily bet the turn, the the river came and I could see him thinking about checking back but he knew he had to still bet, so he bet smallish and I jammed for loads and he folded in severe pain. felt great to do that to someone 10x your size and 100x harder

Shit. Accidentally clicked the quote button, in a post where you called Kurt medium weak. GL.

[tight4better]

would be c/c and c/c providing a non spade

[kinboshi]

against some medium weak players like Dave I often c/call then c/shove board pairing rivers.

did this against kurt once in a similar spot, where he happily bet the turn, the the river came and I could see him thinking about checking back but he knew he had to still bet, so he bet smallish and I jammed for loads and he folded in severe pain. felt great to do that to someone 10x your size and 100x harder

Shit. Accidentally clicked the quote button, in a post where you called Kurt medium weak. GL.

[zerofive]

would be c/c and c/c providing a non spade

Not saying this is wrong, but why c/c > b/f ?

[pleno1]

why is the turn the gayest ever? apologies to all gays for using this term, I hope you don't find it offensive.

but we improved to a straight.

[SuuPRlim]

would be c/c and c/c providing a non spade

Not saying this is wrong, but why c/c > b/f ?

not saying it is, I just think this is a card people will bluff (when we check)

[tight4better]

would be c/c and c/c providing a non spade

Not saying this is wrong, but why c/c > b/f ?

not saying it is, I just think this is a card people will bluff (when we check)

To clarify, we've improved, but in a really shit way and are OOP. It's never a spot to bet for value unless I'm being absolutely retarded and we have to fold if we get raised, if you think he's capable of bluffing and read AS a bluff then you should c/c. I see a b/f in this spot as sensible as putting my head in a lit oven, we still have a hand with showdown value why aren't we trying to get there without getting our whole stack in or at all if we b/f either street?

Only reason my c/c line would change is a spade as if he checks behind he likely has either garbage or a spade either way he's not putting another dime in the pot unless it's as a bluff or unless he makes a flush to beat us (EDIT: or a chop)

[SuuPRlim]

the reason to bet is that a lot of strong hands he has (too good to bluff, too weak to value bet) basically 2p's will now check back but might call a bet.

Not saying we should bet, I think i'd c/c c/f as a default but if i were to bet those are the reasons we'd bet for. Not betting because we'd have to fold to a raise with a hand that cannot improve is not a good reason to not bet, imo.

[BALOTELLI9O]

It would be a bad turn If you have a set of Kings. As it stands if he has a one pair type hand on the flop its actually a pretty good turn card as there is now £60 in the pot and you are likely to have the best hand.

So when you consider what to do on the turn think about what hands he can have at this point. He didn't raise your flop bet on a super draw heavy board so his most likely hand is a draw, both flush and straight, or some 1 pair type hand. I think you have to be value betting the turn. Granted your straight is not very well disguised, especially once you bet. But he can definitely have a hand like AJ/AT, J9/K9 with the J or 9 of spades, all of which could very easily check behind on the turn if you don't bet. So if you assume that he will only bet a Queen or a flush on the turn once you check to him, betting clearly becomes the best option.

I don't mind a bet/fold at all. Its very hard to raise a straight on this turn given the flush is out there, so I think most of the time I would expect a random just to call. Finally in response to shoving the river if the board pairs as a bluff, thats just ridiculous at a £1/2 live game. Given the standard of the field I would expect someone to never fold a flush, and not very often fold the same straight.