$1k SCOOP level 1 spot

[Pinchop73]

Never getting kings in good for 250bbs in this comp this early so no reason to 4> 6.

River bet is literally never a bluff, its always for value. I'd call the the river myself in game. But we must realise that the unknown (to us, but easy to assume he's not bad, because very few are in 1ks) is 3betting an early position open from an extremely strong competent player, whom himself will have an opening range of AQs/AKo/TT+, so not terrible to assume the 3b range is stronger than this. I agree that it would be reasonable for him to assume we have a QQ+ range ourselves, so I don't really see how he can expect to 3 barrel QQs for value vs us. Just my thoughts. As you were.

[pleno1]

after this tournament u should probablz just get it in, everybody saying this morning it was the spewiest 1k they ever played and everybody was out to war.

he may also call your 4bet...

[cambridgealex]

after this tournament u should probablz just get it in, everybody saying this morning it was the spewiest 1k they ever played and everybody was out to war.

he may also call your 4bet...

Yeh you're so deep and he's IP that he'll peel the 4 fairly wide, and if we're worried about being so faceup, perhaps take some funky line postflop? He's not gonna fold AKs ip to 4bet, nor will he fold some of his 3b bluffs like T9s, he might peel QQ/JJ etc too. Also he could 5bluff some % which is good for us, and its not impossible he'll get in AK/QQ so I'd 4bet pre here.  

Does he bet QQ like this on the river do we think?

I'd find it v hard to fold the river here when I can talk myself into him playing QQ like this always, and maaaybe JJ, and non0% of bluffs.

[pleno1]

no he doesnt bet qq like this otr, i dont think

i think its a fold but ive seen results obv.

[Pinchop73]

Just looked back. Man his sizings are flex on every street. I'd be hero'ing this all day long.

Don't really like a c/jam otr, its quite difficult to flop quads, there's nothing else we rep, so he'd snap AA imo.

[mulhuzz]

think bet folding river the best plan.

[Pugwashed]

His bet sizing pre doesn't look like aces and suggests he may not be that great.

If there was any 3b sizing I could see in this spot and not be able to read anything into then it's 180. Seems pretty standard.

Might fold the river but given that this is the absolute top of our range we probably shouldn't. Kinda sucks that his sizing makes it less likely he is going for thinner value. I probably call given that some of the time he can be value betting QQ (maybe less likely with the larger sizing) and could be bluffing (maybe very infrequently but certainly more than never) and if I'm folding KK here I'm just folding 100% of the time to the river bet but still expect to see AA or 9x a reasonable amount.

[Patonius2000]

I don't mind playing the hand like this pre for deception if it fits with your image (i.e. you're perceived to be deece wide/splashy and people will value bet thin) but generally this is just a fistpump 4b. Call three times as played, he vbets QQ and maybe even JJ, has a none 0 bluff% and doubtful he'l fold aces if you jam. Both donking or check jamming are very stupid plays, I think.

[theprawnidentity]

Both donking or check jamming are very stupid plays, I think.

Im keen to hear an explanation as to why leading out on the river is stupid.....

[pleno1]

I don't mind playing the hand like this pre for deception if it fits with your image (i.e. you're perceived to be deece wide/splashy and people will value bet thin) but generally this is just a fistpump 4b. Call three times as played, he vbets QQ and maybe even JJ, has a none 0 bluff% and doubtful he'l fold aces if you jam. Both donking or check jamming are very stupid plays, I think.

these mtt guys just dont bet this much with jj otr imo.

[theprawnidentity]

But even so, theres still as many combo's of QQ as there are AA.  Plus theres money in the middle.

I actually think I like leading out.  If we think he's never bluffing, we get to say how much we lose if he comes over the top, plus we can still get some value from QQ/JJ/TT and save ourselves the headache of having to call this huge bet without a clue where were at.

[Patonius2000]

Both donking or check jamming are very stupid plays, I think.

Im keen to hear an explanation as to why leading out on the river is stupid.....

He'l bet hands that would call a bet and bluff some when checked to. We rep no air after cc twice on this board and I'd only really like cc cc lead if it's some sort of exploitation of knowing he'l go balist allowing us to bet call. Also bad for our range but not that's not particularly relevant. Only advantage I can see is that we don't have to show down and we cultivate something of a fishy image.

[theprawnidentity]

Both donking or check jamming are very stupid plays, I think.

Im keen to hear an explanation as to why leading out on the river is stupid.....

He'l bet hands that would call a bet and bluff some when checked to. We rep no air after cc twice on this board and I'd only really like cc cc lead if it's some sort of exploitation of knowing he'l go balist allowing us to bet call. Also bad for our range but not that's not particularly relevant. Only advantage I can see is that we don't have to show down and we cultivate something of a fishy image.

Oh yeh of course, what was I thinking....

[Bubbba82]

I'm really not a fan of bet folding river. I think its just a good solid fold here 1st level. cant seehim bluffing and we are readless. and i really doubt hes making that size with qq. but he might.