no limit Single Draw 2-7 cash hand

[Oxford_HRV]

cant get enough of the game the past few days, until now just playing ultra micro SNG's
decided to play cash and had this hand come up a few mins ago.

most showdown value hands i was seeing were J7XXX T9XXX area

people rarely re raise pre and we were always in multi way pots

Seat 1: HEMM7 ($5.02)
Seat 2: andrew-240681 ($10.34)
Seat 3: Shyminx ($1.57)
Seat 4: elvistje ($7.46)
Seat 5: gus jnr ($3.67), is sitting out
Seat 6: pirgos1908 ($4.33)
HEMM7 antes $0.01
elvistje antes $0.01
Shyminx antes $0.01
andrew-240681 antes $0.01
pirgos1908 antes $0.01
pirgos1908 posts the small blind of $0.02
HEMM7 posts the big blind of $0.05
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HEMM7 [ ]
andrew-240681 folds
Shyminx calls $0.05
elvistje calls $0.05
pirgos1908 raises to $0.15
HEMM7 raises to $0.46
Shyminx folds
elvistje folds
pirgos1908 has 20 seconds left to act
pirgos1908 raises to $1.05
HEMM7 has 20 seconds left to act
HEMM7 calls $0.59
*** DRAW *** (Total Pot: $2.25, 2 Players)
pirgos1908 has 25 seconds left to act
pirgos1908 stands pat
gus jnr has returned
HEMM7 discards 1 card []
Dealt to HEMM7 [ ] []
pirgos1908 bets $3.27, and is all in
HEMM7 folds
Uncalled bet of $3.27 returned to pirgos1908
pirgos1908 mucks
pirgos1908 wins the pot ($2.14)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.25 | Rake $0.11
Seat 1: HEMM7 (big blind) folded after the Draw
Seat 2: andrew-240681 folded before the Draw
Seat 3: Shyminx folded before the Draw
Seat 4: elvistje (button) folded before the Draw
Seat 5: gus jnr is sitting out
Seat 6: pirgos1908 (small blind) collected ($2.14), mucked


is this line correct? villain is new <5 hands

[Rexas]

Obviously this is happening at the lower stakes, so there is a fair shout someone could be spazzing out/doesn't have any idea how to play the game, but still...

I wouldn't be re-raising with this hand, I would be happy to see a draw with this hand and stand pat to bluff catch, this sort of hand is a very good bluff catcher but not a value hand. I'm rarely betting for value against anyone unknown with worse than a very good 9 low, even the nut 10 low im not always happy with as a value hand. If I was looking to reraise with this hand, I would be doing it to isolate a HU pot, and would still probably be looking to bluff catch by standing pat and basing my decision on the amount of draws taken by my opponent. In this case, I wouldn't be calling a reraise with this hand, because we could very possibly be drawing dead if we only discard the 10.

Basically, I would reraise to isolate this guy because we are IP vs him. If he re-raises, then I fold, our hand just isn't strong enough to be anything more than a bluff catcher. Even if we do make a 9 low, really all we want to see is a 2 (not having a 2 in your hand massively de-values a 2-7 starting hand). Even then, we are going to be behind a fair amount of the time. Our hand is however already a good bluff catcher. So, if the guy flats, I get to see how he plays his draw and base my decision on that. If he stands pat, then I check behind. If he donks, then it becomes more fun, and I'd be basing my decision on sizing etc, because it looks pretty damn strong that we've stood pat. If he draws, then im basically calling a fair amount of his bets (again partly dependant on sizing etc). I would not draw with this hand, because we cannot really improve it from a medium strength hand to a strong one. Think of this hand as sort of like 88 in hold em.

Once we've drawn, obvs we're happy folding. The fact that he's stood pat might make me draw away both the 9 and the 10, but the fact that we don't have a 2 kinda screws that up too. The decision was made hard because you called a 4 bet with a marginal hand. Gl at the 2-7 tables, may see you there some time!

[Oxford_HRV]

Obviously this is happening at the lower stakes, so there is a fair shout someone could be spazzing out/doesn't have any idea how to play the game, but still...

yep this, especially.

in the hand i thought my 3b was standard, but you've explained it strangely well comparing it to 88's and really is only worth doing V's spazz players haha!
i think maybe spent too much time playing heads up and need to adjust to 6 players as it plays very different. my standard line HU was hands of 3+ cards 7> im in the pot!
where as in cash it would have to be mainly starting hands with 2's  274XX ect? correct? with hands like 647TK ect being folds pre??
well as you know i've not started out that nitty in the game. your info helps a lot, thankyou.
 

when we went to the draw and he stood pat i thought if i drew a 2,4,5 or 7 i beat a lot of his starting 9 lows and was happy calling a bet maybe not a shove, but i'm not sure.
considering i'd basically never been in a 4b pot it could have swung either way. fold/call

say for instance we drew a 2 or a 4 should we call here?

[Rexas]

Well, I think sometimes I can be a little too tight, but...

I will very very rarely draw 2 cards, and if I do I want to be looking for basically 234 or very close. Normally, out of position, my hand must have a 2 and im looking for a 1 card draw to a 9 low or better. In position, I will look to play hands like good J lows and 10 lows as bluff catchers, but this is specifically for play in position. In this situation, im probably only calling the shove if we improve with a 2, maybe a 4, but im calling more because I've played the hand in the first place and hit what I was hoping for a jam is normally pretty strong in this game in a vacuum.

It becomes very important in games like this to take notes on players tendencies. If the guy is showing up jamming with J lows in these sort of spot, make a note and call him lighter. If he makes a bunch of calls with bluff catchers, value bet the shit outta him. A lot of players bet nearly every time they're checked too, so remember it and check raise him. I know it sounds basic, but this was key to me starting to have some success in this game, particularly in limit triple draw.