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Red_Baron
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« on: April 20, 2014, 01:22:49 PM »

Just wondering what you guys think of this hand? Do I fold AA with lots of action on this flop? Does he always have a set here or do you think he can have AQ type hands? I don't want to be one of those guys just stacking off with an over pair every time but I also don't like getting bet off of hands. Any comments welcome. Thanks

Seat 1: royalsa123 ($10.87 in chips)
Seat 2: mobbyHRO ($9.78 in chips)
Seat 3: Ruleomat ($25.09 in chips)
Seat 4: tanwe1ryeO ($12.42 in chips)
Seat 5: Rock Pillow ($16.66 in chips)
Seat 6: vagkos ($16.86 in chips)
mobbyHRO: posts small blind $0.05
Ruleomat: posts big blind $0.10

*** HOLE CARDS ***

Dealt to Rock Pillow [  ]
tanwe1ryeO: folds
Rock Pillow: raises $0.20 to $0.30
vagkos: folds
royalsa123: folds
mobbyHRO: folds
Ruleomat: raises $0.52 to $0.82
Rock Pillow: raises $1.28 to $2.10
Ruleomat: calls $1.28

*** FLOP *** [ ]

Ruleomat: checks
Rock Pillow: bets $2.40
Ruleomat: raises $6.20 to $8.60
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« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2014, 01:44:43 PM »

Could go either way, although I probably fold here most of the time without reads on our opponent. Fwiw, this is a terrible raise from the villain, whatever he has.

I rarely see people raise with AQ in this situation, sometimes KK, but that is literally it. I'd be very surprised to see him flip over AQ, and it's also worth noting that we block this hand. Find a better spot imo Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2014, 05:58:49 PM »

I am not folding here. 4bet pot, SPR of around 3.5 on the flop... can very comfortably commit your stack here. As a rule, if you have put in 15% of effective stacks preflop as you have here then you don't worry too much about opponent flopping 2 pair or better when you have AA. Just recognise that you are committed on the majority of flops and play accordingly. This means you can play without fear to maximise value for your hand (rather than pot controlling at some point) - because whilst you are committed to getting stacked when he has outflopped you, he is also committed for his stack when he has flopped a one pair hand that you beat (or a draw like KT).
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« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2014, 10:03:16 PM »

I am not folding here. 4bet pot, SPR of around 3.5 on the flop... can very comfortably commit your stack here. As a rule, if you have put in 15% of effective stacks preflop as you have here then you don't worry too much about opponent flopping 2 pair or better when you have AA. Just recognise that you are committed on the majority of flops and play accordingly. This means you can play without fear to maximise value for your hand (rather than pot controlling at some point) - because whilst you are committed to getting stacked when he has outflopped you, he is also committed for his stack when he has flopped a one pair hand that you beat (or a draw like KT).

Isn't the trouble with this is that he hasn't got KT, or QJ, or KQ or QT after the pre flop action so he hasn't got any 1 pair hands. I think he's got sets of Jacks and Queens, maybe TT some of the time and KK a lot of the time, and AK and maybe even the other aces.
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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2014, 02:16:39 AM »

I am not folding here. 4bet pot, SPR of around 3.5 on the flop... can very comfortably commit your stack here. As a rule, if you have put in 15% of effective stacks preflop as you have here then you don't worry too much about opponent flopping 2 pair or better when you have AA. Just recognise that you are committed on the majority of flops and play accordingly. This means you can play without fear to maximise value for your hand (rather than pot controlling at some point) - because whilst you are committed to getting stacked when he has outflopped you, he is also committed for his stack when he has flopped a one pair hand that you beat (or a draw like KT).

Isn't the trouble with this is that he hasn't got KT, or QJ, or KQ or QT after the pre flop action so he hasn't got any 1 pair hands. I think he's got sets of Jacks and Queens, maybe TT some of the time and KK a lot of the time, and AK and maybe even the other aces.

Who knows exactly what he has got. He may very well have QQ or JJ. He may also have AQ or KK or KQ or KTs or AJ or T9s or 76s or a variety of other random stuff. He 'shouldn't' be 3betting JJ, KQ or AQ etc preflop given positions, but doesn't mean he won't.

The SPR is only about 3.5. I am not folding AA in a 4bet pot when fairly shallow on this flop. He can have plenty of hands that are forced to commit here given the SPR, and they are not all beating AA. That's the beauty of having AA and such a low SPR on the flop... you can commit happily without stressing about the (fairly frequent) times you are losing.
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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2014, 11:53:43 AM »

Agree I'd be all-in, the size of the raise would have me umming and arring for a few seconds, but I think I'd actually be happier than if he'd made it $5.

Good sizing in this hand btw.

Seems from your two threads so far you're having a little crisis of confidence, this happens to everyone so try not to worry about it, play slightly shorter sessions, get a few wins under your belt, really really focus on what's happening (maybe play 1less table and take a few extra seconds over every decision) and it soon turns around. It's amazing how small of a hand can completely change your momentum (both ways) in poker.

Keep posting hands too, look for the simplest of mistakes and ask questions.

Good luck
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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2014, 02:51:17 PM »

Confidence crisis is right... thanks for the advice. I'm trying to study a bit more and play a bit less while its going wrong hopefully get my confidence back and start winning again Smiley
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