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Another poll, would you change your vote?
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Would your referendum vote be different now?
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PokerBroker
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Re: Another poll, would you change your vote?
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June 29, 2016, 04:36:00 PM »
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Seems like a daft question to me. How many remainers are going to change their vote?
Million dollar question, but those who value democracy probably should.
Why?
Well the democratic will of the people who decided to vote was to leave - regardless of their own individual reasons - and now all and sundry are trying to back track. Shock horror at politicians telling lies but the idiots who believed that £350 million a week could be pumped into the NHS or that house prices would reduce by 18% need to have a good look at themselves.
I'm sorry, but you've completely whooshed me. Why does that mean that people who voted remain should change their vote?
Because democracy should be the trump card in my opinion.
So in a democracy, I have to change my vote?
Can someone help me here, I'm sure I'm missing something.
Nobody said you had to, I said if you believe in democracy you should.
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Re: Another poll, would you change your vote?
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June 29, 2016, 04:54:21 PM »
Quote from: PokerBroker on June 29, 2016, 04:36:00 PM
Quote from: RED-DOG on June 28, 2016, 11:36:47 PM
Quote from: PokerBroker on June 28, 2016, 11:03:40 PM
Quote from: RED-DOG on June 28, 2016, 07:10:27 PM
Quote from: PokerBroker on June 28, 2016, 07:06:30 PM
Quote from: RED-DOG on June 28, 2016, 06:48:42 PM
Quote from: PokerBroker on June 28, 2016, 06:36:40 PM
Quote from: RED-DOG on June 28, 2016, 05:40:54 PM
Seems like a daft question to me. How many remainers are going to change their vote?
Million dollar question, but those who value democracy probably should.
Why?
Well the democratic will of the people who decided to vote was to leave - regardless of their own individual reasons - and now all and sundry are trying to back track. Shock horror at politicians telling lies but the idiots who believed that £350 million a week could be pumped into the NHS or that house prices would reduce by 18% need to have a good look at themselves.
I'm sorry, but you've completely whooshed me. Why does that mean that people who voted remain should change their vote?
Because democracy should be the trump card in my opinion.
So in a democracy, I have to change my vote?
Can someone help me here, I'm sure I'm missing something.
Nobody said you had to, I said if you believe in democracy you should.
Red isn't the only one who's confused - you've said you 'should' change your vote, but you still haven't answered the question - why?
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Re: Another poll, would you change your vote?
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June 29, 2016, 05:11:27 PM »
I think the point being made is that if there is a 2nd referendum then it is because the Government/EU think we didn't make the correct choice so are just going to make us vote again and again until we get it right. If that happens you can argue that I (as a remain voter) should change my vote to leave to protect the will of the people in the previous vote which should have been a one off.
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June 29, 2016, 05:13:23 PM »
I said "probably should" and it seems pretty clear to me what the point is, as Dung has just said if you value democracy.
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Quote from: Cf on June 29, 2016, 04:06:32 PM
Quote from: Mohican on June 29, 2016, 03:45:19 PM
I didn't vote. Had no opinion either way. But if the people in power try to weasel out of a decision democratically decided upon by the people with a second referendum,I would snap vote leave.
But the second referendum itself would be decided democratically.
why is there a need? It's not a best of three scenario. The Brexit vote won and therefore that's how the politicians should proceed.
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June 29, 2016, 05:50:27 PM »
Quote from: DungBeetle on June 29, 2016, 05:11:27 PM
I think the point being made is that if there is a 2nd referendum then it is because the Government/EU think we didn't make the correct choice so are just going to make us vote again and again until we get it right. If that happens you can argue that I (as a remain voter) should change my vote to leave to protect the will of the people in the previous vote which should have been a one off.
Thanks - I get your point but if this poll question had been, "will you change your vote if there is a second referendum?" then it would be a bit clearer what PokerBroker meant - I interpreted this poll question to mean the equivalent of - if you could go back in time and change your vote, would you do so? Hence my confusion - not so sure if Red had a similar idea.
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Re: Another poll, would you change your vote?
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June 29, 2016, 06:07:37 PM »
Quote from: PokerBroker on June 29, 2016, 05:13:23 PM
I said "probably should" and it seems pretty clear to me what the point is, as Dung has just said if you value democracy.
It was clear to you, but as I said, it wasn't clear to me. Fortunately, DungBeetle has taken the time to explain so I understand now.
I don't agree BTW, but I understand.
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Re: Another poll, would you change your vote?
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June 29, 2016, 08:58:23 PM »
People with the Leave view are trying to lock in the concept that a referendum vote is sacrosanct and can't be revised "if you value democracy". This is clearly incorrect logic. Referendums can be reversed. If the public votes differently in a second poll, that is the most recent will of the people and is clearly "valuing democracy".
This post isn't saying it should happen, but that it is a valid thing to happen.
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June 29, 2016, 09:06:28 PM »
Quote from: MintTrav on June 29, 2016, 08:58:23 PM
People with the Leave view are trying to lock in the concept that a referendum vote is sacrosanct and can't be revised "if you value democracy". This is clearly incorrect logic. Referendums can be reversed. If the public votes differently in a second poll, that is the most recent will of the people and is clearly "valuing democracy".
This post isn't saying it should happen, but that it is a valid thing to happen.
If they are years apart sure. But it also incorrect for a Government to batter citizens into submission by having multiple referendae until it gets the result it wants. I'd rather we stayed in the EU but the leave supporters are reasonable to point this out.
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Quote from: Graham C on June 28, 2016, 12:23:36 PM
I was a remainer, not only would I vote the same, I'd try and encourage more to vote remain!
This. Having worked my ass off in Scottish referendum. I thought this was a landslide. I honestly expected 60/40, I have been all over the country over the last year and never saw this coming
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