Holy places - church/synagogues/mosques

[DaveShoelace]

My primary school was a very religious church of england school, it was bang next door to the local church which no doubt influenced this.

My secondary school actually did a half decent job of being secular and the religious studies lessons were quite objective in demonstrating the different religions and what the followers believed, rather than saying 'this is what god thinks about xyz'.

Little ones can't avoid religion, so I think it's best to try and demonstrate all the different belief systems in an objective way, and within that include atheism, reason, science, the scientific method etc.

I think religion is for the most part horrific, but it is such a big part of history and world politics it is very important to teach kids about it, but IMO from an outsider looking in perspective and let them make up their own mind.

I am massively against faith schools of every denomination though, except possibly Jedi.

[RED-DOG]

I think it's wonderful to believe in God and Heaven and an afterlife etc. Unfortunately, I don't.

[DMorgan]

This could have changed massively in the last 10 years or so but I went to a grammar school in Kent and tutoring never really seemed to be a thing. This was at Rainham Mark and they are accused of cherrypicking every year.

The grammer schools debate has been strange and it seems to be mainly a construct of the parents expectations. We still had the drugs, pregnancy, truancy, vandalism etc. that the comprehensives had, we had some terrible teachers and some very very good ones. The only difference seemed to be that whenever anything happened you heard a lot of parents mumbling about how you wouldn't expect this at a grammar school.

[Jon MW]

This could have changed massively in the last 10 years or so but I went to a grammar school in Kent and tutoring never really seemed to be a thing. This was at Rainham Mark and they are accused of cherrypicking every year.

The grammer schools debate has been strange and it seems to be mainly a construct of the parents expectations. We still had the drugs, pregnancy, truancy, vandalism etc. that the comprehensives had, we had some terrible teachers and some very very good ones. The only difference seemed to be that whenever anything happened you heard a lot of parents mumbling about how you wouldn't expect this at a grammar school.

A lot of the grammar school debate also seems to be from people who think that what we have (and will have in the future) exactly like it was under the tripartite school system. i.e. If you don't go to grammar school you'll be written off and have no chance of university etc.  Which completely ignores the reality that it's Grammar and Comprehensive now and every pupil going to a comprehensive is going to be pushed into staying on the academic route as long as possible (even to the extent that those who would benefit from more practical things like apprenticeships will probably be pushed into trying for university).

I agree in principle that there should be no place for faith schools but given The Church was providing schooling before The State was it will be very 'tricky' to get rid of the idea completely any time soon.

[MANTIS01]

Forgive my ignorance but how do people 'know how it really is'?

[nirvana]

Forgive my ignorance but how do people 'know how it really is'?

We don't know nuffink

[Doobs]

Forgive my ignorance but how do people 'know how it really is'?

reading the bible LDO.

[Mohican]

Forgive my ignorance but how do people 'know how it really is'?

reading the bible LDO.

Obvs the good book will explain it all away. 

[the sicilian]

Most logical intelligent people can see through the monstrous holes that populate all religions...

A lot of people need faith though.. they need to believe in something whether it be that there due to go to a better place or that some divine being is watching over them.. they need that security blanket..

if you ever try and ever have a logical discussion with someone religious they always come out with their own twisted interpretation that fits nicely in with what they believe...

I always love the one when you ask if there is a god why does he permit so much evil in the world, the senseless massacre of millions, suffering children, etc etc... stock answer.. God cannot interfere with the ways of man.. so why when some child makes a miraculous recovery from cancer say they claim its a gift from god a miracle from his own hand ??.. cm on guys you cant have it both ways

even the story of Christ...

 Mary was a virgin but became pregnant with Jesus...

wow but she was married to Joseph and they hadn't consummated ?

once again they come up with an excuse..

ah they went actually married..

does that make Joseph less pissed.. his betrothed up the duff and his never touched her..

 all this in a time when they stoned women for less..

utter nonsense the lot of it

[POWWWWWWWW]

I wouldn't drill anything into a child.

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[muckthenuts]

It's physically impossible to stop your kids being exposed to religion when it is so heavily entwined with the culture. Let's say you deny your kids a visit to the church - what do you then do around christmas and easter time? Given you want them to be able to make their minds up at a later stage surely you don't want your kids celebrating a Christian religious holiday either right?

[teddybloat]

Easter is the chocolate festival, and Christmas the shopping one, right?

Christ isn't even the biggest myth in his own festivals now. The magic bunny and the bloke off the coke adverts take up most of the limelight.

Fancy, you save the world and are relegated to the ranks of toothfairy.

Gratitude, eh

[exstream]

'Most logical intelligent people'

But religious parents will take children from a young age,which I reckon shouldn't be allowed