How would you plan on proceeding?

[TightEnd]

ro4 is at seat 1 with 894.90
artvandlei is at seat 2 with 88.00
Mr End is at seat 3 with 368.50
perleti is at seat 4 with 296.00
Baby_f is at seat 5 with 200.19
JazznFunk is at seat 6 with 398.02
aannas is at seat 7 with 200.33
gingerslim is at seat 8 with 184.60
-Rainman- is at seat 9 with 315.00
Elcaviteno is at seat 10 with 103.04

ro4 posts the large blind 4.00
Elcaviteno posts the small blind 2.00

Mr End: ,

Pre-flop:

artvandlei: Fold
Mr End: Call 4.00
perleti: Fold
Baby_f: Fold
JazznFunk: Raise  20.00
aannas: Fold
gingerslim: Fold
-Rainman-: Fold
Elcaviteno: Call 20.00
ro4: Fold
Mr End: Call 20.00

Flop (Board: 10s, 10h, 10c):

Elcaviteno: Bet  20.00
Mr End: Call 20.00
JazznFunk: Call 20.00

Turn (Board: 10s, 10h, 10c, ):

Elcaviteno: Check
Mr End: ?

I have no real idea where I am...would you have acted differently on the flop?

on the turn, what is your plan of action...check folding? check calling? betting out?

the pre flop raiser may have a pair or two high cards, the short stack could have anything.

I might be miles in front, or solar systems behind...how wedded are you to this full house?

No info on either player

I do find these situations difficult!

[londonpokergirl]

I'd bet out and run into quads knowing my luck  

[thetank]

I'd bet 40.

If either player raised me, I'd be confident that I'm beaten and I'll lay down.

Player acting after you has two guys to worry about raising. Player acting before you has check raised two players. Either way, goodnight Vienna.

[temp0r]

the check on the turn is definate weakness as he's got a call on the flop. if he's got a big house or quads he'd definately bet again. i'd bet 40 also and see where i'm at. this would probably get anyone with 88 or 99 to lay down at this point.

to be quite honest though. i wouldn't call such a raise with 77. but then neither would i limp. i'd raise but wouldn't stand a re-raise pre-flop. so it wouldn't be any of my concern. but while you're there. you should have bet 40 as the tank suggests.

[jezza777]

hey tight, I have no problenm with the call , I rarely let a PP go without seeing a flop.  I think you absolutely definately have to reraise the guys flop bet tho it will tell you where you are. I am not at all married to this boat and could easily fold it. But you know how tight I can be!

[doubleup]

I'd bet 40.

If either player raised me, I'd be confident that I'm beaten and I'll lay down.

Player acting after you has two guys to worry about raising. Player acting before you has check raised two players. Either way, goodnight Vienna.

I think that the problem betting 40 on the turn is if you are called, you still dont know where you are and pretty well have to check on the river and will have difficulty calling any kind of a bet.

I think it is likely the flop bettor has a pocket pair, so the turn might have scared him.  The original raiser should pass AK AQ to a reasonable bet.  So I would rather bet 80.  If this is called or raised your beaten.  The bb might fold a higher pp and if you are ahead you are defending your hand.

I must say I love these situations when you are not sure if a bet is a bluff or a value bet

[temp0r]

I must say I love these situations when you are not sure if a bet is a bluff or a value bet

and that's why i'd say a bet of 80 isn't a good idea. it looks TOO MUCH like an information bet. and doesn't leave a player guessing as to whether it's a value bet. whereas 40. when there's been NO raise on the flop and a CHECK before could be either. i think someone without even a boat at this stage might be more willing to raise all-in on someone who bets 80 rather than someone who bets 40.

[thetank]

I think that the problem betting 40 on the turn is if you are called, you still dont know where you are

I know exactly where I am if the turn bet of 40 gets called. (drawing dead)

I will also have no dilemma whatsoever on the river. (check, fold)

[TightEnd]

I bet 36.00. Why 36? well why not, roughly 40 anyway!

Mr Jazz flat calls

ElCapitano folds

The river is the  , a blank

Your choices:

Check fold?

Value bet? How much?

Check call?

[TightEnd]

and calling a raise with 77 in NL Cash?  Implied odds if you hit a set.......you have to hit (I accept this is an unusual hit) to put any more money in post flop

The Implied odds of hitting a set far outwieght the reverse implied odds of hitting thr set and loising a whole buy in in my experience

[WellChief]

I'd probably check call here, I'd rather not put any more money into the pot if possible and it seems like Mr Jazz has AK/AQ or maybe 9's or 8's.  I imagine he'll check behind you with 9's and .

Hard to see a hand he'd raise to 20 with here that contains a ten given that he's not on the button.

[Sheriff Fatman]

and calling a raise with 77 in NL Cash?  Implied odds if you hit a set.......you have to hit (I accept this is an unusual hit) to put any more money in post flop

The Implied odds of hitting a set far outwieght the reverse implied odds of hitting thr set and loising a whole buy in in my experience

I'm concerned that you view this as 'hitting the flop', against a pre-flop raiser and another player.  Sure, you've got a full house but you are vulnerable to so many cards, assuming that you are ahead on the flop - which is by no means certain.

Best case is you're up against high cards in both players hands so you're vulnerable to any of them hitting.  In this case you're scared of anything above a 7 coming out and pairing up one of the other players.  Also, its very possible you're already beat.  The initial raiser has put in a 5xBB raise after an early limper and the small blind has seen fit to call this raise.  I'd say there's a very good chance there's a higher pair out there, assuming the players in question aren't complete donks.

Personally, I hate the call on the flop - I think its the worst choice of all 3 options.  If you were last to act then fine, but you've got the pre-flop raiser behind you so you're vulnerable to being sandwiched here.  What do you do if, say, he makes it $80 to go and the small blind calls?  You need to either raise here and try to find out where you are (potentially also buying the button if the guy behind folds) or just get out now while you're not heavily invested.  My preference is to fold as this hand has all the potential to be one where you win a little or lose a lot.

Having said that, and in answer to your turn question, I check behind here and see what happens.  I suspect you're going to see either i) bet followed by check raise or ii) bet followed by fold.  In the rare event its checked through I re-evaluate and potentially take a stab on the river if a low card comes down.

Sheriff

[TightEnd]

Thanks Sheriff. Maybe "hit" the flop is the wrong expression..clearly I am hoping to hit trips and that didn't happen

All through this hand I am in real difficulties to establish whether I have a hand to proceed with or a hand that is drawing dead.

Playing it quite soft and not raising on the flop seemed to me to be a way of reaching a conclusion in a reasonably controlled way...because a wide range of hands can call a raise there and I still won't know where I am...defining your hand here is extremely difficult..... I am probably folding to aggressive raises, but I have seen none


Anyway having bet the turn and received a flat call I was sure I was beat...checked the river with a decision to make decide whether to pay off a potential value bet

However he checked behind too, and I won. He had AK off

A better, stronger player could have pushed me off 77 at any stage