A Grey Area

[mex]

i wonder why its called a SHOWdown. I think online has lead to a no show culture. This is why tikays post about the rules being read pre tourney to all players is such an important point. If you know the rule before you start then we don't have a problem

[Yogi-Bear]

Surely there are only Grey Area's when people choose to shoot angles.

Yogi

[Jayb]

I can't understand what the big problem is with showing your cards at the showdown.

If you check all the way to the river and miss that gut shot straight draw giving you a massive 7 high so what, if you call a bet with A high because you don’t believe and he shows a set, again so what.

As for giving other players a read on what you are calling with, what a load of b#@*?#ks. I’m sure most players chance their arm with different starting hands so whether you show 5,2 off or AA it surely doesn’t give an insight into what you will play next hand and If you’re bluffing and get caught….. better luck next time

In a cash game when you have 3 players hesitating to show their cards, maybe just showing the one first then when all three have an ace waiting another minute for them to show their kickers. I find this very annoying and would hate for this to be carried over into tournament play.

[matt674]

Surely there are only Grey Area's when people choose to shoot angles.

Yogi

Awww, poor angles!!

There should be a law against that!!

[Sheriff Fatman]

They used the all hands shown down at one of the Luton festivals last year.  I played on the Tuesday, saw it being applied and hated it.  Presumably others must have felt the same as by the later tournaments the decision had been reversed.

I also saw a few players get around it by hurling their cards with expert precision into the muck so that it was impossible to determine which one's they had so I don't think its a failsafe option in any event.

I understand the reasoning behind the rule but I don't think its one which can be applied 100% consistently in any event as much depends on the dealer to enforce it and there will be variations.  Personally I prefer not to see it become widespread.

Sheriff

[snoopy1239]

I stand by the old adage that its very bad poker etiquette to ask to see a losing hand.

If the TD thinks there is collusion going on then they should be the only ones with the power to turn over a losing hand.

I think this is the problem.

Sportmanship doesn't really work in poker.

It only just about works in footie, but remember when Kan scored in the FA Cup v Sheffield... or all those times there's an injury and a team just plays on...

Sportsmanship really gets in the way sometimes and everyone has different views on what is and what isn't sportsmanlike. It's just way too subjective.

This is why I think the dealer should be in control and just turn over hands that ought to be revealed. No arguments.

[snoopy1239]

i wonder why its called a SHOWdown. I think online has lead to a no show culture. This is why tikays post about the rules being read pre tourney to all players is such an important point. If you know the rule before you start then we don't have a problem

I agree, but they need to be short and sweet. It would take ages to read through them all.

Also, have you ever seen the rules on the notice boards. They go on for miles. Who ever reads them??

[JP]

The thing is only certain players seem to get "picked" on. I seem to get victimised a lot in the showdown rule. I remember a luton main event where funnily enough D Sami asked to see my hand as did another player in the space of 15 mins. We had been playing for about an hour and I remember Tighty, Mickey Wernick, IrishDenis and The Camel were on the table and none of them got asked to see their hands. They all stuck up for me and none of my hands were asked to be shown again but there was a heated debate for 10 mins. I wouldn't mind if every1 was showing but when you are getting picked on consistently then that as yogi said is angle shooting.

If I concede the pot take it why have a post-mortem about it?

[Cyclone]

There have been several occasions in the past at Walsall where I have been suspicious of collusion and that is why I very rarely play there any more. And as for the card room managers doing anything about it - dont make me laugh!