Performance or Points?

[The Baron]

How many of these "great" players that you have would walk into any the top leagues in Europe and do the business?

Beckham aside all the top English players from the EPL who have gone abroad have been failures.

The problem that I and many other scots have is that when the World Cup or European Championships come around you all belive that you have a divine right to win. 

Most if not all of them would do the business abroad.

Top English players have been failures abroad? Funny - McManaman and Hargreaves haven't complained about their medals haul.

Divine right to win? Lol ok this is where we move away from footy and it's getting personal. England aren't even my first national team but to say they have no chance is ludicrous.

[thediceman]

So your critical because we display some optisim. Do you not enter a poker tournament optimistic that you have a chance of winning or do you sit down saying you have no chance. We have a chance and that is reason alone to have hope. Do not Scotland when they qualify for the world cup dream of getting past the first round. That's unrealistic but it doesn't stop you from dreaming.

Granted the media goes overbaord but you can't judge as all by the jingoistic rubbish of the media folk. I'm realistic in our chances but that doesn't stop me from hoping for the best. The fact is my intial response was to the posts critical of England and their chances. Many of your countrymen

Indeed our team may be home before the end of June but at least they got the opportunity. What was Scotlands last competition song "Don't come back to soon". Sounds like your country realism is displayed as pessimism. Maybe it's the same pessimism and negative attitude and constant whinging that prompts others to adopt a vocal voice just to see you guys get upset

p.s. your arguement about English players proving their value abrod is pants on account of why would they want/need to play abroad when they get paid as much if not more in one of the richest league in the world.

p.p.s. so the Scotish papers post pics of England fans fighting. Wonder if they went looking for a story  . News flash, young men, drinking in large numbers and you will always see events of this nature. Happens in towns and cities every night, even in Scotish ones I believe. What has become less frequent is the ugly organised mass fighting of English hooligans. And you seem to be so proud by this news story as if to win some major point, I wonder if you nationistic papers are so quick to carry the story of Scotland being the most voilent country in Europe as reported in a EU study. Also have to point out that when I went to the old home internationals many years ago the fighting was not exclusively the English but then again guess you don't want to hear that.

[thediceman]

Just watching that toughest job in football lol great larf watching all those failed English managers 

Can't wait for the part about Scotish goalkeepers 

[Teacake]

 
Also the fact that every time there is another game on we are subjected to inherrent nonsense from the likes of Lineker and Yorath about England, I want to watch each individual game with the talk being about that game, I don't want to know what Beckham had for breakfast or any other nonsense.

This is the thing most Scots & no doubt Welsh & Irish people object to, the coverage is totally OTT, try & watch a game that has nothing to do with England & see how many times they get mentioned.

I like the vast majority of Scots have no problem with English people or the English team. I enjoy watching them because they do have a lot of very good players but I find myself getting frustarted with them because the coach has no idea how to the best out of the players at his disposal.
There are other squads with less talent at there disposal who will probably go further than England because the coach will get the best out of them eg Greece, Czech Rep, Portugal, South Korea & Turkey in recent years.

I think England will get to the last 8, anything more I think would be an achievement under the present coach.

BTW theres more fishing going on in this thread than a Rex Hunt convention, try not to take it too seriously lads 

[thediceman]

Is it any real surprise that a British Broadcasting Corporation would have a bais towards one of the home countries. If Wales and Scotland or Northern Ireland had qualified they would also be strongly covering them and before I receive the counter arguement that their covered would not be to the same level I'm sure it would be in realition to the demographic profiles.

Hey in the past the Britsih media have even strongly been supporters of a non Britsh World Cup finalist Eire and I don't recall many if any English bemoaning the covered of a non Britsih country.

[marcro]

At the end of the day the only thing that counts is the 3 points.

[Nem]

Is it any real surprise that a British Broadcasting Corporation would have a bais towards one of the home countries. If Wales and Scotland or Northern Ireland had qualified they would also be strongly covering them and before I receive the counter arguement that their covered would not be to the same level I'm sure it would be in realition to the demographic profiles.

Hey in the past the Britsih media have even strongly been supporters of a non Britsh World Cup finalist Eire and I don't recall many if any English bemoaning the covered of a non Britsih country.

I agree. Good post.

[Scottish Dave]

1/ One their first game with no goals conceded.

2/Got one of the best strikers in the world to return in the knockout stages.

1/ Dont you mean Won? 

2/ Who? - please dont say Ronney or ill piss all over my couch and then my Girlfriend Janet will shout at me and tell me to phone Reids and get the guy out to have the couch resprayed again, and we just had it done about 3 months ago, after i came home from the pub and spilt Pakora sauce all over the right hand arm rest. 

[thediceman]

1/ thank you for correcting me on my grammatical error

2/ hope it doesn't cost to much to get the couch resprayed

[Scottish Dave]

What group are Scotland in again?

why do people always say this?

your not a daft man Moves, so why be sarcastic...

...Sarcasm is the lowest form of Humour.

Scotland will win the 2046 world cup when it will be renamed the Universe Cup since we will be able to space travel by then, and it will include teams from Saturn, Mars, Venus and the 2046 hosts Uranus

So you see MrMoves, Scotland are going to do it in Uranus in 2046  

[Scottish Dave]

How many of these "great" players that you have would walk into any the top leagues in Europe and do the business?

Beckham aside all the top English players from the EPL who have gone abroad have been failures.

The problem that I and many other scots have is that when the World Cup or European Championships come around you all belive that you have a divine right to win. 

Most if not all of them would do the business abroad.

Top English players have been failures abroad? Funny - McManaman and Hargreaves haven't complained about their medals haul.

Divine right to win? Lol ok this is where we move away from footy and it's getting personal. England aren't even my first national team but to say they have no chance is ludicrous.

When i comes to Hargreaves, as you have suggested he has nothing to prove when you look at the amount of medals he has won, so why the hell do English fans boo him all the time? in 2002 he played a vital roll in certain situations? so why Boo?

[Gryff]

It got nothing to do with being bitter.

I have no problem is admitting that England have a few world class players, but they are no where near as good a team as they are made out to be.

How many of these "great" players that you have would walk into any the top leagues in Europe and do the business?

Beckham aside all the top English players from the EPL who have gone abroad have been failures.

The problem that I and many other scots have is that when the World Cup or European Championships come around you all belive that you have a divine right to win. 

Also the fact that every time there is another game on we are subjected to inherrent nonsense from the likes of Lineker and Yorath about England, I want to watch each individual game with the talk being about that game, I don't want to know what Beckham had for breakfast or any other nonsense.

At least we Scots are realistic, we know we will never win any the big tourneys but at least when we get there we can enjoy ourselves, pictures in todays Scotish newspapers where showing English fans fighting with each other at one of the live broadcasts. 

Well enjoy the rest of the tourney, your boys will be home before the end of June. 

Funniest stuff I've read all day.

[Teacake]

Is it any real surprise that a British Broadcasting Corporation would have a bais towards one of the home countries. If Wales and Scotland or Northern Ireland had qualified they would also be strongly covering them and before I receive the counter arguement that their covered would not be to the same level I'm sure it would be in realition to the demographic profiles.

Hey in the past the Britsih media have even strongly been supporters of a non Britsh World Cup finalist Eire and I don't recall many if any English bemoaning the covered of a non Britsih country.

I agree. Good post.

So the coverage of Rooney hasn't been OTT?

[TightEnd]

OK guys

Passions are going to run high on these sort of threads

There will be different views, and no doubt some controversial views as well. Even Scottish views. Though why we allow them for this World Cup I am not sure.    

Lets all debate the games/teams/players agreeably and without resorting to flaming.

There's nothing that oversteps the mark, but I see signs that it might go down that path

Give me, as one of only a couple of mods that frequents this board, an easy time please. Thanks

Just ignore me why don't you.....

[ifm]

Is it any real surprise that a British Broadcasting Corporation would have a bais towards one of the home countries. If Wales and Scotland or Northern Ireland had qualified they would also be strongly covering them and before I receive the counter arguement that their covered would not be to the same level I'm sure it would be in realition to the demographic profiles.

Hey in the past the Britsih media have even strongly been supporters of a non Britsh World Cup finalist Eire and I don't recall many if any English bemoaning the covered of a non Britsih country.

I agree. Good post.

So the coverage of Rooney hasn't been OTT?

Yes it has, even Ericsson (sp?) made a statement to that effect. Personally i don't think he's the great white hope everyone else believes but WTF do i know?
BTW sarcasm is the lowest form of wit