ABE, Anyone but England?

[thetank]

Yes I agree, I've never heard of Scottish fans causing trouble abroad.

England in the 70's

England's not really abroad though is it 

Seriously though, that was outside of my lifetime, as was the 2nd World War and Culloden, so I don't bear a grudge.

[Ginger]

Yes I agree, I've never heard of Scottish fans causing trouble abroad.

You don't hear of English FANS causing trouble either.

Interesting thread Tank, I just hope it keeps calm!

BTW, I do support (and cheer on Germany) even when they are playing England (I actually cheer both on then!) as I was born over there  But like others have stated, once my "first team" is out, I like to root on the next "home team" and that is how I would view Scotland if they were in.   

[thetank]

I wonder if any support Scotland recieves from England is looked upon by us as being somewhat patronizing.

Nothing more frustrating than having a rivarly with a nation that doesn't have the decency to return your ill will. 

Thankfully, as many posts I've seen on this forum over the last few months have proved, there are still plenty of English fans who view Scotland's humble efforts at the beutiful game with contempt and disdain. 

[thetank]

We're all the same on these islands. Walk down glasgow, birmingham or dublin and you'll see the same shops, the same sorta pubs, the same culture.

Thats a fair point, but if you go outside the cities, you will see a big difference between Montrose, Tipperary and Bury St. Edmonds.

I'll concede that this point I made was rather weak.

What I perhaps should have said, is that the culture of Arsenal and Tottenham fans is somewhat similar blah blah blah etc etc etc.

[Newmanseye]

Here is my 2p on this subject, I always support the England team when they play in the world cup, Its good to have a team to root for.

As for anti-English feeling that is harboured by SOME Scots, well even the most intelligent of people can be D.A.D.S ( Dumb As Dog Sh1t).

If we take Blonde Bash 2 as an example, A great time was had by all, no animosity existed due to differing nationalities, everyone got on great, as was the case with the visiting scots at BB1.

I believe the football rivalry is a friendly one, some times there are a few plonkers that cross the line, and as we know the press are never one to stop adding fuel to the fire.

Best of luck to England in the world cup, I hope the English team get as far as they deserve to, ( i mean that in a positive way) If they play well and get the right decisions i hope they go the whole way.

As for the ABE mentality, this thread was the first i heard about it.

Just one thing though, If that git Jimmy Hill comes on the telly after England win and starts all that anti Scottish nonsense I will write to points of view.

Cheers and peace to all of my southern cousins, well except for London, that place is full of forginers  

Just kidding!!

[thetank]

I only ask because the SNP remains a minority political party and the majority of Scots continue to vote Labour(esp in the cities) and sometimes Lib Dem in the highlands and islands. If the ABE sentiments were that widely reflected in  society, wouldn't the SNP be better represented in both the Scottish and English Parliaments?

Surely the better off rural borders areas aren't ABE?

Maybe I'm naive, but I don't see an affiliation with the SNP and harbouring the odd ABE sentiment as going hand in hand. It certainly doesn't for me, I'm opposed to a Scottish Parliament and have no problem whatsoever with the major desicions being made in Westminster. That's real life, and ABE is just a sport thing.



By better off rural areas, are you talking about the Highlands? Ill will towards the English is perhaps stronger there. Changing of opinions happening much slower in rural areas and bad feelings about the Highland clearances in the late 18th and early 19th centurys are still strikingly evident in some parts.

[TightEnd]

I was referring to the Scottish borders in areas such as Hawick, which when I visited were both lovely and full of welcoming people, not an anti-english sentiment in sight

That said, I've never seen a problem when I've visited Edinburgh, Glasgow or Aberdeen either but then I have never done so for football events.

[thetank]

Ahhh, missed the border bit.

In countries like India and Pakistan, USA and Mexico the rivarly around the borders is more intense.

It's very encouraging that with Scotland/England this is not the case.

Even though they're well within their rights to do so, I'm sure if I went to York on a Sunday wearing a kilt, I could return home without being shot through the heart with a crossbow.

[The Baron]

Ahhh, missed the border bit.

In countries like India and Pakistan, USA and Mexico the rivarly around the borders is more intense.

It's very encouraging that with Scotland/England this is not the case.

Well that's probably because India and Pakistan hate each other on the whole (plus the border changes from year to year) and the US and Mexian border towns are worlds apart in terms of wealth.

As far as I can see (call me a naive southerner) there is no reason for English-Scottish border towns to have tension.

[Gryff]

You never see the scots making trouble abroad because they never bloody qualify.

PS: Braveheart - that film has a lot to answer for.

PPS: Lets just have a great britain team like the Olympics, that way we don't have to put up with this rubbish.

[The Baron]

PPS: Lets just have a great britain team like the Olympics, that way we don't have to put up with this rubbish.

Agreed - then we might get a decent friggin manager for the national side!

[thetank]

You never see the scots making trouble abroad because they never bloody qualify.

PS: Braveheart - that film has a lot to answer for.

PPS: Lets just have a great britain team like the Olympics, that way we don't have to put up with this rubbish.

You may have taken a wrong turn, this a thread for discussion, not ignorant flaming.

[Gryff]

You may have taken a wrong turn, this a thread for discussion, not ignorant flaming.

Oh, and I thought it was a thread for Scots to justify hating the english and wanting them to lose.
Nevermind

Unless of course there is some valid reason for wanting any team to lose and not supporting your neighbours.

[thetank]

At the side of the page you'll see a scrollbar. You can use this to actually read the threads in future.

Oh dear, here endeth the discourse and debate. I find myself predisposed to flaming back instead.

Pity, it was interesting while it lasted.

[The Baron]

Enough guys otherwise the bad cop Tighty will be locking and moving this sharpish.