ABE, Anyone but England?

[jammer]

to individual sportsmen being 'british' when they win (unless they're english - then they stay english) it is something the scots really get wound up at.... and I'll admit now are too sensitive to a lot of the time.

Is that true though Rod? F'rinstance Colin Jackson the blindingly good 110m hurdler was british, just as Linford Christie was. I don't remember anyone ever emphasising Linford Christie's englishness or favouring him anymore than colin jackson cos he was welsh? Or was that because they were very much part of a team? Equally at wimbledon the middle aged women wave about union jacks, not st georges crosses, for prissy tim henman, and I bet you will do the same for Andrew Murray (in spite of his ABE quotes )

I mean, you hear what you've said a lot, but I'm confused - who are these sportsmen who are only british if they win?

Well Murray's an example, he was a scot until he started winning, then was called british (as far as I can remember he actually pulled up a reporter about that at Wimbledon last year). It'll be interesting to see what he gets called this year (especially as he's off form).Elena Baltacha is another player called Scots all the time - unless she wins a game or 2....

Elena Baltacha I've not heard of. Andrew Murray I can understand him being pissed at the media if that's true, but I still hope the boy does good. Is that it though? I mean monty has always been british and he's crap.

Athletics is one sport where the teams are generally British... so I can't complain too much there.

I know, and its good innit

However even though I've always wanted scottish footie to do well, I will endeavour to want them to get spanked in the future to keep you boys happy

[Rod Paradise]

To take someone's phrases and then use them in another context which you then label as arrogent shows someone who has no basis for facts and quick to chuck out the insults. Such as your "get over yourself" remake. We're almost there in you admitting your thoughts about me are what you intially stated in you "mere coincedence" statement. It's a shame you label someone arrogent based on what you think they said rather than what they actually said. That is true arrogance. Maybe it is you who needs to get over yourself and the whole poor relations, aren't we victimised. Ever thought my comments where just to address whinging Scot's as I would whinging English, whinging Welsh, whinging anybody.

The constant blaming the whole ABE attitude on the bais British media is laughable as there are numerous factors which contribute to a persons prejuduce. Some people may claim it's just as friendly banter but god forbid I dare suggest it could be a result of deeper nationalistic prejudices. Let's keep it nice and fluffy and not dare consider they is an ugly side to this ABE.  

 

The original posts weren't aimed at you & the insults you attribute to be the only feasable reasons for being ABE were good examples. The post using them wasn't aimed at you either, but the petted lip about being misquoted and the insults contained in the complaint led me to re-read what you'd posted & yes, I consider your assumption that the only reasons for ABEism have to be the ones you've suggested as arrogant, your overly verbose lecture answers also lead me to that conclusion.

I do not personally think the media are my only reason for ABEism - I've loads of reasons. History (some quite a bit less than 100 years), the "National" Anthem, the use of "the second" for the Queen - when she isn't QEII of Britain, the media, and yes - the anger that the Treaty of the Union was signed by some money grabbing nobles all figure in it. but you assume whatever reasons you like - I doubt there's anything I can say to stop you.

[thetank]

oh dear 

I'll go hide behind the sofa, if anyone asks, it was ifm who started this thread.

[Rod Paradise]

to individual sportsmen being 'british' when they win (unless they're english - then they stay english) it is something the scots really get wound up at.... and I'll admit now are too sensitive to a lot of the time.

Is that true though Rod? F'rinstance Colin Jackson the blindingly good 110m hurdler was british, just as Linford Christie was. I don't remember anyone ever emphasising Linford Christie's englishness or favouring him anymore than colin jackson cos he was welsh? Or was that because they were very much part of a team? Equally at wimbledon the middle aged women wave about union jacks, not st georges crosses, for prissy tim henman, and I bet you will do the same for Andrew Murray (in spite of his ABE quotes )

I mean, you hear what you've said a lot, but I'm confused - who are these sportsmen who are only british if they win?

Well Murray's an example, he was a scot until he started winning, then was called british (as far as I can remember he actually pulled up a reporter about that at Wimbledon last year). It'll be interesting to see what he gets called this year (especially as he's off form).Elena Baltacha is another player called Scots all the time - unless she wins a game or 2....

Elena Baltacha I've not heard of. Andrew Murray I can understand him being pissed at the media if that's true, but I still hope the boy does good. Is that it though? I mean monty has always been british and he's crap.

Athletics is one sport where the teams are generally British... so I can't complain too much there.

I know, and its good innit

However even though I've always wanted scottish footie to do well, I will endeavour to want them to get spanked in the future to keep you boys happy

Well I thought Monty was Scottish when he was being bad tempered at reporters.... British when spanking the yanks in the Ryder Cup...

Jammer - I'll look forward to the rubdowns when we cock it all up again (which could be soon - misguidedly we're building ourselves up again  ).

I find it weird mind you - I can cheer a good performance by an EPL team in Europe, for some strange reason I passionately support the Lions in both codes of Rugby..... but I can't want an England team to win. Think it comes from my English Great British Raj loving, Tory Granny (RIP). When she moved in with the familly when she'd got older my poor Mum had to take her out when Scotland or England were playing

[Rod Paradise]

oh dear 

I'll go hide behind the sofa, if anyone asks, it was ifm who started this thread.

Flaming over - I was trying to stay out of this for that very reason... should have tried harder - still, I got to post the Colchester Kev 'I Love Scotland' picture

[The Baron]

Rod-Diceman please keep this civil.

We have 12+ pages of good posts now and I dont want to see this locked or moved to the mod's board.

Dice, I'm not exactly sure where you think Rod originally wronged you, but he and others have pointed out that no offence was meant.

[Rod Paradise]

Rod-Diceman please keep this civil.

We have 12+ pages of good posts now and I dont want to see this locked or moved to the mod's board.

Dice, I'm not exactly sure where you think Rod originally wronged you, but he and others have pointed out that no offence was meant.

Will do Baron - like I said to Tank - flaming over. I think the Diceman & I will need to agree to disagree. I'll still let him buy me a pint at BB3

[thediceman]

And finally we get there with you telling it like it is, finally grew some balls. Took a little prodding but we finally got there, well done. Sorry the intial it wasn't directed to you but it is now after re-reading your posts doesn't really wash. Maybe  it was just there all along in you subconscious  

And again you attribute a viewpoint to me as a "statement of fact" to suit yourself in making a point and provide you with reason to insult. I have never stated or assummed the "only reasons" for ABEism have to be the ones I've suggested, but if that allows you to chuck an insult to me so be it, classy, real classy. As I've said before there are numerous factors involved in ABEism some of which I dared to suggest rather than the blanket it's all about media bias. As much as you think I am arrogant I share the same level of belief that you manipulate falsehoods to express your own prejudices. Your arrogance as displayed in your assumming nature  surpasses any arrogance I may have.  

[The Baron]

Dice, Rod has agreed to stop the flaming. Enough yeah?

Next post considered to be a flaming post will get this thread moved.

I'm not bothered who has the last word or how it started now. Can we just drop it please?

[thediceman]

No problems Baron, as I have previously stated. I will however respond to insults directed to me. In the interests of goodwill to blonde I would prefer not to get into such personal agruements on a public forum but then again if someone insults via this medium then I will use it to respond accordingly.

[The Baron]

Thanks Dice.

As I said before I don't really think anything was originally intended that way from Rod. However we can continue that discussion by PM if you so wish, let's not tarnish this thread with more about it.

[thediceman]

Dice, Rod has agreed to stop the flaming. Enough yeah?

Next post considered to be a flaming post will get this thread moved.

I'm not bothered who has the last word or how it started now. Can we just drop it please?

I was writing my reply prior to seeing Rod's post and have yet to develop the ability to see into the future, that and I didn't read the posts when the red message came up prior to posting.

[The Baron]

Dice, Rod has agreed to stop the flaming. Enough yeah?

Next post considered to be a flaming post will get this thread moved.

I'm not bothered who has the last word or how it started now. Can we just drop it please?

I was writing my reply prior to seeing Rod's post and have yet to develop the ability to see into the future, that and I didn't read the posts when the red message came up prior to posting.

No problem.

Thanks.

[Teacake]

I was thinking and realised that In the 1990's I too was afflicted by the "anyone but" attitude, so I think I can understand the scots lads standpoint.

Every day in the paper, every match of the day, every report in the sports pages was about bloody Man U. Non stop, all the time, incessant.

I got so sick of it I developed ABMU syndrome.

To this day I haven't shaken it. I'll support any premiership team in europe but cannot bring myself to cheer on the manure (and Birmingham City obviously, even though I have loads of mates who support em).  Go figure.

Thats a very good point Jammer, I tend to find a large number of English footy fans have the same attitude, its also true with teams like Juve, Real Madrid & Bayern in their respective countries.

I think the ABE thing is very similar, anyone else agree or disagree with this?

[Nem]

Thats a very good point Jammer, I tend to find a large number of English footy fans have the same attitude, its also true with teams like Juve, Real Madrid & Bayern in their respective countries.
I think the ABE thing is very similar, anyone else agree or disagree with this?

I agree.