Re: I've just Folded KK Preflop

[JungleCat03]

Don't fold.

As Le knave said, this comment .......

.....OsloJack said, "only 20 to go to money"......

is a fairly reliable indicator that he doesn't want action and also that his blinds are up for grabs.

I don't push as it's overplaying probably the best preflop hand you'll get this tourney. I raise enough to make a small pair/ rag ace make a mistake by calling and also make the pot big enough that he will consider pushing with TT-QQ or AK/AQ to take it down.  I would raise 1700 - 2000 here.

Don't ever worry about being behind here. When someone makes it 900 to go UTG on 100 200, you are never behind their range with KK.

[Graham C]

I shouldn't have folded, I appreciate that and it's not something I'll ever do again.  I ended up coming 35th which isn't too bad going, despite the lack of money for that!

[Graham C]

KK time again, and I  didn't fold  
PokerStars Game #5365132053: Tournament #26604070, $3.00+$0.30 Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2006/06/25 - 20:00:31 (ET)
Table '26604070 264' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Lulabell998 (8480 in chips)
Seat 2: 123Dick (9300 in chips)
Seat 3: Graham0573 (9230 in chips)
Seat 4: asner (2910 in chips)
Seat 5: michael97045 (11548 in chips)
Seat 6: wolfferine (8780 in chips)
Seat 7: Diogenes69 (11825 in chips)
Seat 8: allinstevie (5053 in chips)
Seat 9: miahmonte (16520 in chips)
Lulabell998: posts the ante 50
123Dick: posts the ante 50
Graham0573: posts the ante 50
asner: posts the ante 50
michael97045: posts the ante 50
wolfferine: posts the ante 50
Diogenes69: posts the ante 50
allinstevie: posts the ante 50
miahmonte: posts the ante 50
Graham0573: posts small blind 400
asner: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Graham0573 [ ]
michael97045: folds
wolfferine: folds
Diogenes69: folds
allinstevie: raises 4203 to 5003 and is all-in
miahmonte: folds
Lulabell998: folds
123Dick: folds
Graham0573: calls 4603
asner: folds
*** FLOP *** [ ]
*** TURN *** [ ] []
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Graham0573: shows [ ] (a pair of Kings)
allinstevie: shows [ Ah] (high card Ace)
Graham0573 collected 11256 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 11256 | Rake 0
Board [ ]
Seat 1: Lulabell998 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 123Dick (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Graham0573 (small blind) showed [ ] and won (11256) with a pair of Kings
Seat 4: asner (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: michael97045 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: wolfferine folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Diogenes69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: allinstevie showed [ Ah] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 9: miahmonte folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Now that was handy

[Jim-D]

Thats more like it fella!!

[Pab]

Play the KK hard, the times you run into AA are unfortante but very rare.

[Horneris]

I would never be able to fold KK in this type of tournament, particulairly for this sort of buy in, despite only bein a  low stakes player myself, i would happily gamble that my opponent dosent hold AA as he usually dosent (QQ, JJ, AK, 1010)

The only time ive ever folded KK is in a cash game to "Le Knave" himself, when it was early on and i raised £2 and he moved all in for a further £16. Now he dosent often mess with me, and it was fairly obvious the sort of hand i had. And i also knew that he wouldnt risk going home straight away, when we had a godo night of poker in store against weaker players if he didnt have AA:- so i folded.

Later on everyone else told me and he admitted himself, that he had AA but was happy to just win the £2.75 already in the pot. 

[seamus]

Hello Graham

I agree with other posts that you should have seen the flop. You were in dealer position with 6k chips and able to react to any bet to the ace as you see fit.

However KK lurgi is prevalent right now. Here are two examples 5 minutes apart.

 
Jun 25 23:40:39] : Hand Start.
[Jun 25 23:40:39] : Seat 1 : zimBRABIM has $2,440
[Jun 25 23:40:39] : Seat 2 : noirsheep has $580
[Jun 25 23:40:39] : Seat 3 : YYZ Tower has $5,550
[Jun 25 23:40:39] : Seat 4 : Kvn87 has $350
[Jun 25 23:40:39] : Seat 5 : JustBettor has $590
[Jun 25 23:40:39] : Seat 6 : el seamus has $20,350
[Jun 25 23:40:39] : Seat 7 : lono1 has $5,860
[Jun 25 23:40:39] : Seat 9 : casualone has $2,250
[Jun 25 23:40:40] : Kvn87 is the dealer.
[Jun 25 23:40:40] : JustBettor posted small blind.
[Jun 25 23:40:40] : el seamus posted big blind.
[Jun 25 23:40:40] : Game [53] started with 8 players.
[Jun 25 23:40:40] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jun 25 23:40:40] : Seat 6 : el seamus has
[Jun 25 23:40:46] : lono1 folded.
[Jun 25 23:40:49] : casualone folded.
[Jun 25 23:40:52] : zimBRABIM called 400 and raised 2,040 and is All-in
[Jun 25 23:40:52] : noirsheep folded.
[Jun 25 23:40:54] : YYZ Tower folded.
[Jun 25 23:40:54] : Kvn87 folded.
[Jun 25 23:40:54] : JustBettor did not respond and is folded
[Jun 25 23:40:55] : Stakes: 200/400 Current level: 6 Level up in: 8 min. Break in: 15 min. Players : 48
[Jun 25 23:40:59] : el seamus called 2,040
[Jun 25 23:41:00] : Showdown!
[Jun 25 23:41:00] : Seat 6 : el seamus has
[Jun 25 23:41:02] : Seat 1 : zimBRABIM has
[Jun 25 23:41:02] : Seat 6 : el seamus has
[Jun 25 23:41:11] : Board cards [ ]
[Jun 25 23:41:11] : Seat 1 : zimBRABIM has
[Jun 25 23:41:11] : zimBRABIM has Full House : full of
[Jun 25 23:41:11] : Seat 6 : el seamus has
[Jun 25 23:41:11] : el seamus has Two Pair: Kings and
[Jun 25 23:41:11] : zimBRABIM wins 5,080 with Full House : full of
[Jun 25 23:41:15] : Stakes: 200/400 Current level: 6 Level up in: 7 min. Break in: 15 min. Players : 46
[Jun 25 23:41:21] : Hand is over.
[Jun 25 23:41:21] :
[Jun 25 23:41:21] : Stakes: 200/400 Current level: 6 Level up in: 7 min. Break in: 15 min. Players : 46



[Jun 25 23:44:39] : Hand Start.
[Jun 25 23:44:39] : Seat 1 : YYZ Tower has $5,550
[Jun 25 23:44:39] : Seat 2 : bluffrhuntr has $11,140
[Jun 25 23:44:39] : Seat 3 : kutty has $12,375
[Jun 25 23:44:39] : Seat 4 : chewy561 has $7,485
[Jun 25 23:44:39] : Seat 6 : MissHoolie has $9,000
[Jun 25 23:44:39] : Seat 7 : el seamus has $17,710
[Jun 25 23:44:39] : Seat 8 : outbound has $150
[Jun 25 23:44:39] : Seat 9 : bri-fin has $15,525
[Jun 25 23:44:39] : 'Dead button' is at seat 4
[Jun 25 23:44:39] : MissHoolie posted small blind.
[Jun 25 23:44:39] : el seamus posted big blind.
[Jun 25 23:44:39] : Game [64] started with 8 players.
[Jun 25 23:44:39] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Jun 25 23:44:39] : Seat 7 : el seamus has
[Jun 25 23:44:39] : outbound folded.
[Jun 25 23:44:44] : bri-fin folded.
[Jun 25 23:44:47] : YYZ Tower called 400
[Jun 25 23:44:48] : bluffrhuntr folded.
[Jun 25 23:44:48] : kutty folded.
[Jun 25 23:44:48] : chewy561 folded.
[Jun 25 23:44:55] : MissHoolie called 200 and raised 800
[Jun 25 23:44:57] : Stakes: 200/400 Current level: 6 Level up in: 4 min. Break in: 11 min. Players : 41
[Jun 25 23:44:58] : el seamus folded.
[Jun 25 23:44:59] : YYZ Tower called 800
[Jun 25 23:45:00] : Dealing flop.
[Jun 25 23:45:00] : Board cards [ ]
[Jun 25 23:45:06] : MissHoolie bet 800
[Jun 25 23:45:07] : YYZ Tower called 800 and raised 3,550 and is All-in
[Jun 25 23:45:13] : MissHoolie called 3,550
[Jun 25 23:45:13] : Showdown!
[Jun 25 23:45:15] : Seat 1 : YYZ Tower has
[Jun 25 23:45:16] : Seat 6 : MissHoolie has
[Jun 25 23:45:17] : Stakes: 200/400 Current level: 6 Level up in: 3 min. Break in: 11 min. Players : 41
[Jun 25 23:45:21] : Board cards [ ]
[Jun 25 23:45:21] : Seat 1 : YYZ Tower has
[Jun 25 23:45:21] : YYZ Tower has Two Pair: Queens and
[Jun 25 23:45:21] : Seat 6 : MissHoolie has
[Jun 25 23:45:21] : MissHoolie has Pair: Kings
[Jun 25 23:45:21] : YYZ Tower wins 11,500 with Two Pair: Queens and
[Jun 25 23:45:25] : MissHoolie : vn
[Jun 25 23:45:31] : Hand is over.
[Jun 25 23:45:31] :
[Jun 25 23:45:31] : Stakes: 200/400 Current level: 6 Level up in: 3 min. Break in: 11 min. Players : 41

[temp0r]

its a $5 buy-in. for christ sake.

What differance does that make?

A  lot!

Care to explain?

$5...thats less than £3 by the way. you really think your up against monsters?

the only time i fold KK to 2 all-ins before me is in high stakes cash.