The "BoomStick" approach?

[Rusty]

I was reading somebodies poker blog recently where he went on about boomsticking, I didn't have a clue what he was talking about but he went on to give a vague description of it.

supposedly this is when you go all in when you have AK or KK early on in an STT and you are in early/middle position no matter if there has been limpers or raisers before hand.
Am I correct in thinking this? Whats your views on this approach? Also, anyone know why its got such a stupid name?

[happybhoy]

I can't say I know but if I was forced to guess I'd say it's a reference to Evil Dead - Army of Darkness in which Bruce Campbell introduced his shotgun to a bunch of medival peasants as his 'boomstick'.

[ACE2M]

the driver club in golf is sometimes known as the boomstick.

[Timaloy]

I can't say I know but if I was forced to guess I'd say it's a reference to Evil Dead - Army of Darkness in which Bruce Campbell introduced his shotgun to a bunch of medival peasants as his 'boomstick'.

Thats what I was thinking lol.

Yo she bitch, Lets Go!

[thetank]

I don't like the boomsticking early on with AK.

Don't see the long term profit on that one.

[Rusty]

so would you do it with KK?

[thetank]

No, goes against my STT style. I'd prefer it if no-one notices I'm at the table for as long as possible.

All-ins early on raise eyebrows.

Can't argue agaisnt anyone doing it with KK though. You get plenty calls, and plenty double ups I'm sure.

[TightEnd]

the boomstick is an adaption of Sklansky's "teach a novice to play the wsop" is it not?

In that, in one of his books, he told his rookie to go all in with AK and any pair and take their chances to neutralise the skill edge the opponents will have. I belive in practice it drove the opponents mad as they could only call with AA.KK maybe AK/QQ. I beleive a lady playing this reached day 2.

Perhaps cf Tiffany Williamson and those debates last year.


I prefer the subtler approach for SNGs personally   

[byronkincaid]

lorinda used to post about doing this in low buy in sngs with AA. apparently you often get called.

[tikay]

I have always considered these huge over bets with monsters or AK just plain daft, especially early doors in a comp.

But I'm beginining to wonder.

All passed to me in the Cut-Off yesterday, very first level of a $250 Freeze (so one assumes reasonably decent players), so I made it 70 with KK. (Blinds 10-20).

BB moves ALL-IN.....!

He HAS to have AK, it's almost the standard play by many folks online. Obviously, I called in a flash.

He turned over AA....

OK, his "my overbet suggests weakness" ploy sucked me in a treat, if indeed that was his thinking. But if so, surely he'd lose more customers than enough, & would rarely get paid except in the rare case such as my KK.

Maybe I ought to try it, but it really don't sit well with me.

[matt674]

very first level of a $250 Freeze (so one assumes reasonably decent players), so I made it 70 with KK. (Blinds 10-20).

Never assume anything in the world of online poker!! 

[tikay]

very first level of a $250 Freeze (so one assumes reasonably decent players), so I made it 70 with KK. (Blinds 10-20).

Never assume anything in the world of online poker!! 

You are not wrong there.

[The Baron]

I can't say I know but if I was forced to guess I'd say it's a reference to Evil Dead - Army of Darkness in which Bruce Campbell introduced his shotgun to a bunch of medival peasants as his 'boomstick'.

LOL!

"This is my BOOMSTICK!"

[The Rivercard]

I have always considered these huge over bets with monsters or AK just plain daft, especially early doors in a comp.

But I'm beginining to wonder.

All passed to me in the Cut-Off yesterday, very first level of a $250 Freeze (so one assumes reasonably decent players), so I made it 70 with KK. (Blinds 10-20).

BB moves ALL-IN.....!

He HAS to have AK, it's almost the standard play by many folks online. Obviously, I called in a flash.

He turned over AA....

OK, his "my overbet suggests weakness" ploy sucked me in a treat, if indeed that was his thinking. But if so, surely he'd lose more customers than enough, & would rarely get paid except in the rare case such as my KK.

Maybe I ought to try it, but it really don't sit well with me.

Nowadays I am finding this more common practice. They will move all in with AA  on the basis that you wont call unless you have a good hand like qq or kk. They believe that if you had a weaker hand such as 77 or 88 you will fold. When asked by myself "well surely a smaller bet will bring more value to your hand you must want a caller" the reply was " I dont want to be outdrawn, so I want to make you pay" ...I gave up asking after that !!!!

Players dont seem to be able to play from the flop with AK. If they dont hit they dont know what to do, so they go all in at the start so as to avoid having to make the decision later....The trouble is when it works they believe that this is the correct play at all times. Maybe when there are more live poker events players will learn that there is much more to the game than ALL IN.

[tikay]

I have always considered these huge over bets with monsters or AK just plain daft, especially early doors in a comp.

But I'm beginining to wonder.

All passed to me in the Cut-Off yesterday, very first level of a $250 Freeze (so one assumes reasonably decent players), so I made it 70 with KK. (Blinds 10-20).

BB moves ALL-IN.....!

He HAS to have AK, it's almost the standard play by many folks online. Obviously, I called in a flash.

He turned over AA....

OK, his "my overbet suggests weakness" ploy sucked me in a treat, if indeed that was his thinking. But if so, surely he'd lose more customers than enough, & would rarely get paid except in the rare case such as my KK.

Maybe I ought to try it, but it really don't sit well with me.

Nowadays I am finding this more common practice. They will move all in with AA  on the basis that you wont call unless you have a good hand like qq or kk. They believe that if you had a weaker hand such as 77 or 88 you will fold. When asked by myself "well surely a smaller bet will bring more value to your hand you must want a caller" the reply was " I dont want to be outdrawn, so I want to make you pay" ...I gave up asking after that !!!!

Players dont seem to be able to play from the flop with AK. If they dont hit they dont know what to do, so they go all in at the start so as to avoid having to make the decision later....The trouble is when it works they believe that this is the correct play at all times. Maybe when there are more live poker events players will learn that there is much more to the game than ALL IN.

It happens in live Poker, too, though much less.

In the 2005 Deauville EPT I shared a table with a young American who, for 3 whole days, made the same play every single time - All-In!

He had clearly doubled up very early, so was almost always in a position to bust anyone, but it was my view that the kid just could not play.

There was much mocking when he ran his 5-5 into AA till he rivered his set.

He Finalled........