hand disscussion

[Ironside]

what would you do next


PokerStars Game #2358996690: Tournament #11248306, Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/08/17 - 12:41:44 (ET)
Table '11248306 20' Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: HUNTERHONDA (2590 in chips)
Seat 2: joedbud (2690 in chips)
Seat 3: Zal Patera (2690 in chips)
Seat 4: ransax (2735 in chips)
Seat 5: Loki51 (1390 in chips)
Seat 6: stretch02 (4780 in chips)
Seat 7: PackingHeat (9585 in chips) out of hand (moved from another table into small blind)
Seat 8: Ironside (4015 in chips)
Seat 9: JimmyF04 (3375 in chips)
Ironside: posts small blind 25
JimmyF04: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [As ]
HUNTERHONDA: calls 50
joedbud: calls 50
Zal Patera: folds
ransax: folds
Loki51: folds
stretch02: folds
Ironside: raises 100 to 150
JimmyF04: raises 300 to 450
HUNTERHONDA: calls 400
joedbud: folds
Ironside: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Ironside: checks
JimmyF04: bets 400
HUNTERHONDA: calls 400

[Colchester Kev]

you have them both covered, i say get it all in and have a gamble 

[Robert HM]

Call perhaps. A semi bluff on a four flush is a good way of getting more chips into the pot before a 3rd spade hits the board and scares them away, but the other two are doing it for you already. You still haven't got a made hand and you are getting action, not sure if I would want to put it all in as these look like following you into the mire.

But I'm a newbie, what do I know.

Go on, what did you do and how did it work out?

[Ironside]

i'll tell you what i did and what happened later but the ultimate outcome of the hand is i am in the money in the tourny

[Robert HM]

Tease!

[ariston]

I wouldnt have checked the flop, I would have bet big and got myself potstuck so I didn't have a decision to make. After checking you have to tank it in and hope they either both pass (woohoo) or both call (odds in your favour).

[ariston]

I should also ask what you are doing raising with AJ when there has been an UTG limper but I saw at the top its a stars tournament and it doesnt count. On stars people limp with anything lol.

[snoopy1239]

Tank it in if you think there's a decent chance they'll fold. If the raiser calls with a hand like aces, then at least you have a few outs.

[TightEnd]

what's you worst case scenario here? re-raiser has KK, or AA? I like the chances of him having AK. God knows what the flat caller on the flop has got?

Anyway, the presence of the third player in the pot is great...you've got a pot of 1525 pre flop and another 800 making it 2325 before your decision, and you have to stick 400 into it, so nearly 6-1 odds to hit your nut flush

Easy call, (not raise, others seem to be doing a wonderful job of building the pot for you!)!

I take it you hit?

[snoopy1239]

what's you worst case scenario here? re-raiser has KK, or AA? I like the chances of him having AK. God knows what the flat caller on the flop has got?

Anyway, the presence of the third player in the pot is great...you've got a pot of 1525 pre flop and another 800 making it 2325 before your decision, and you have to stick 400 into it, so nearly 6-1 odds to hit your nut flush

Easy call, (not raise, others seem to be doing a wonderful job of building the pot for you!)!

I take it you hit?

What do you plan to do on the turn if a blank comes?

Check & call
Check & fold
checkraise
or make a move

[TightEnd]

I'm not folding I don't suppose...I tend to check call in these types of situations but I suspect that's weak

I'm torn between betting out and trying to get him off AK and hoping he's not KK/AA and the check raise to give him something to think about

Snoopy, do I take it you jam the flop to avoid these type of tricky decisions down the streets?

[snoopy1239]

I'm not folding I don't suppose...I tend to check call in these types of situations but I suspect that's weak

I'm torn between betting out and trying to get him off AK and hoping he's not KK/AA and the check raise to give him something to think about

Snoopy, do I take it you jam the flop to avoid these type of tricky decisions down the streets?

It usually depends on the player.

If I think he can fold a hand like ace king, then I'd push in on the flop.

However, if I have him down as a maniac, then I'll just flatcall and check fold the turn if I miss. If I had position on him then I may consider making a move on the turn if he checks. Either way, I really don't want to be in a showdown with a flush draw against top pair.

[TightEnd]

snoopy, assuming you have called the flop or have raised the flop and been alled why would you check fold the turn (on the proviso that the bet isn't so big your pot odds have been destroyed)?

surely the rationale for playing this after the flop is that you have two chances to hit one of your nine spades, not just one

I understand you don't ideally want to be going to the river with a draw (albeit the nut one) versus at least top pair, but you are going to have to win some of these confrontations to win tournaments?

[snoopy1239]

Because the flop bet was so cheap.

And of course, if he made the same bet on the turn, I would have to play the hand.

[dan]

i reckon ironside pushed all in on the flop and missed his flush but hit runner runner to make a straight and either crack trip kings or pocket aces