Launch of the Amateur Poker Association & Tour (APAT)

[The Camel]

An excellent venture and I wish all involved the very best of luck.

I think arguments over the definition of a professional are pretty academic. A common sense approach is all that is needed.

The only thing I don't approve of is the back door circumnavigating of the 10% juice rule. Once APAT start doing it, every casino will jump on the bandwagon. Which would be a real shame as the UK is the best place to play poker in the world at the moment. Let's keep it that way.

[TightEnd]

An excellent venture and I wish all involved the very best of luck.

I think arguments over the definition of a professional are pretty academic. A common sense approach is all that is needed.

The only thing I don't approve of is the back door circumnavigating of the 10% juice rule. Once APAT start doing it, every casino will jump on the bandwagon. Which would be a real shame as the UK is the best place to play poker in the world at the moment. Let's keep it that way.

Thanks Keith

Point taken about the back dooring of the 10%. We have committed to stay within the 10% earlier on this thread

[The Camel]

An excellent venture and I wish all involved the very best of luck.

I think arguments over the definition of a professional are pretty academic. A common sense approach is all that is needed.

The only thing I don't approve of is the back door circumnavigating of the 10% juice rule. Once APAT start doing it, every casino will jump on the bandwagon. Which would be a real shame as the UK is the best place to play poker in the world at the moment. Let's keep it that way.

Thanks Keith

Point taken about the back dooring of the 10%. We have committed to stay within the 10% earlier on this thread

Ooops. Thought I had read the entire thread. Missed that post. Apologies.

[mikkyT]

Claw there is a world of diff between 100 rebuy and 75 f/o.. an average of 5-600 quid.

An the rebuy is usually the first night of the f/o

[mikkyT]

Grr sorry Claw some1 else already aswered u. darn slow phones!

About the juice - does gaming law say 10% added for juice - eg 10 + 1 or does it say 10% can be removed for juice? eg 9 + 1!

Dependin on wording, it would be fine to do 67.50  + 7.50 as this is 10%!

;goodevil;

[tikay]

This may have already been answered, sorry if it is.  I am only on P7. 

Will the option be there to take the money instead of a WSOP/WPT seat?   Basically, can you take $10,000 instead of the seat?

No, absolutely not - this is an APAT fundamental.

Firstly, please see my "APAT & tikay" Post, to set the scene.

I'm on record as being a believer in players having the right to do "business". That remains my view in normal Tournament Poker, & always will do.

But this is not the APAT way, & having been part of the developmnt of "the APAT way", I'm entirely comfortable with our stance - no deals.

Taking Event One as an example, this is THE ENGLISH AMATEUR POKER CHAMPIONSHIP. A title to be won, cherish, & held for life. The 2006 Amateur Poker Champion will ALWAYS be an Englsh Amateur Poker Champion, come what may. So we don't want that Title to be sullied by suggestion of deals.

The Prize Money is also "top heavy", quite deliberately, to encourge the players to really go for it. Same argument, & again, I can reconcile it with my well-known views that in normal Tourney Poker, the payout structures should be flatlter.

We actually looked at paying the Prize Money by cheque, as a further disincentive for players to "deal" but that's not as easy as it sounds, for GC reasons.

Can we stop players doing business? If they really want to, probably not, but we can make it tough for them so to do - very tough indeed! But if players enter into the spirit of what we are trying to do, there will not be a problem.

But the straight answer to Sark's question is "no, you cant take the cash in lieu of the EPT Seat".

[Rod Paradise]

Taking Event One as an example, this is THE ENGLISH AMATEUR POKER CHAMPIONSHIP. A title to be won, cherish, & held for life. The 2006 Amateur Poker Champion will ALWAYS be an Englsh Amateur Poker Champion, come what may. So we don't want that Title to be sullied by suggestion of deals.

If I win it can I be called "The Winner of the English Poker Championship" please?

(knowing fine well it'd be 'lucky f@#*in Jock' if I did  )

[Ironside]

i am a member my reciept said MEM001

guess i dont have a subscription to pokerplayer so had to pay the full price

[Harmony26]

Bainn and I have now joined.  Sounds like a fantastic idea - the chance to  play in a tournament with a structure you would only normally find in a major buy-in event, but with a far more affordable buy-in.

Congrats Tikay and TightEnd for all your hard work in putting this together.

[Wardonkey]

I am a professional player and I can see lots of reasons why I would like to play in this type of event, why do you want to exclude me?

No one has tried to answer this question.

[tikay]

Taking Event One as an example, this is THE ENGLISH AMATEUR POKER CHAMPIONSHIP. A title to be won, cherish, & held for life. The 2006 Amateur Poker Champion will ALWAYS be an Englsh Amateur Poker Champion, come what may. So we don't want that Title to be sullied by suggestion of deals.

If I win it can I be called "The Winner of the English Poker Championship" please?

(knowing fine well it'd be 'lucky f@#*in Jock' if I did  )

Just wait until an English players wins the Scottish Amateur Poker Championship.

Or, heaven forbid, a Welsh player wins. But that's just silly I guess.Tooooo far-fetched.

[Jon MW]

I am a professional player and I can see lots of reasons why I would like to play in this type of event, why do you want to exclude me?

No one has tried to answer this question.

Well obviously you want to enter - lots of recreational players you'd have a better chance of beating for a value added prize pool - doesn't this answer your question?

And isn't the word Amateur a clue in the organisation name?

[Ironside]

i was watching a wpt episode last night when paul maxfield was discribed as an amateur player so i guess that would mean most people that would want to play in this event would be amateur IMHO

i think there should be a PPAT and members could only join and play on one or the other

although members of APAT could move up to the PPAT but they would no longer be able to play on the PPAT

[Ginger]

I am a professional player and I can see lots of reasons why I would like to play in this type of event, why do you want to exclude me?

No one has tried to answer this question.

Am I being silly here, but didn't you answer it yourself....

' I am a professional player ' and this is the Amateur Poker Association & Tour

edit: sorry, didn't refresh and see Jon MW's post before i posted

[tikay]

I am a professional player and I can see lots of reasons why I would like to play in this type of event, why do you want to exclude me?

No one has tried to answer this question.

Hi War,

Sorry, but I'm trying to get everyone's questions answered as quick as I can, & in the nature of things, doing the quicker ones first. Yours is on my list, & I'll be there as soon as possible.

By the way - well done on Sunday, in the SuperBlinds, you deserved to win, you outclassed the rest of us.