Launch of the Amateur Poker Association & Tour (APAT)

[thediceman]

Do you comply with the APAT's original stated intention is questionable. The answer is probably not

I think you seem to be making stuff up. Where does it say on their website that only fish who have never played live before are allowed to play. The stated aim of the association as far as I can read is

The Association aspires to represent the interests of all non professional players in the UK.

I watched 425 last night and I think I'm right in saying Tikay said it's for the 99% of players who aren't sponsored pro's.

To say iron doesn't comply with the stated intention is ridiculous imo.

I'm saying outta this thread now until Tikay clarifies their position on this.

Seems like Jon MW has helped me out with your first point that I'm "making it up". And why asociate the word fish when I've never used that term. Maybe changing the words and therefore the context of my point helps you in disagreeing with me and weakening my views. I would however prefer it if you challenged me directly on what I have said and not anything else.

I can't comment on what Tikay said on 425 as I don't watch anything associated with William Hill on account of the insulting service I recieved from them when I was to quote them "only the 2nd person to have my account hacked into". If he and the APAT decide the event is open to everybody except sponsored pro's then that is their decision and so be it.

Your entitled to your views as am I. For me if they events end up involving a considerable number of festival players who have previously forked out £1000 to play festival main events than for me that does go against the stated intentions as expressed earlier in this thread by people involved in the APAT. If an open event this is acceptable to you then I think that is ridiculous imo. As I've previously stated the APAT will always have the common sense approach/rule to allow somebody whilst falliing into the grey area to possibly play. I would just hate to see these events full of players who already pay considerable sums to play in an event which stated to provide the big game experience for those who haven't yet experienced  it (NB: I haven't used said players who are fish).  

[jacshal]

it will be interesting too see how much coverage this tour gets on ch.854 william hill channel tour sponsers partypoker.
hopefully full amateur field no pros,so like comparing footballs premiership or championship to local non league football coverage should be around the 1% mark.at this early stage i can envisage ch.854 being 50/50 now why do i say that.

[jacshal]

poker stars not party poker sorry

[Ironside]

diceman your saying because i have played in 1 main event (only cause i was unable to get to the festival for the event i wanted to) that i am now a PRO?

i am sure it was called the amatuer

the reason some of us play large buy in freezeouts is because there are no small buy in freezeouts that make it worthwhile to spend £400-£500 travel cost

[Karabiner]

Obviously this kind of event should include players such as you Ironside, I was just suggesting an enforaible parameter.

The first obvious group would be sponsored pros, after that it would be players who regularly play in main events.

Whether the line is drawn at one, two, or ten paid entries into festival main events is immaterial.

This would be a definitive criterion for entry. Being a pro per se is not easy to define.

[Robert HM]

"Are you, or have you ever been a Communist Sponsored Pro?"

That's a good start but heaven knows where yoi go from there.

[thediceman]

diceman your saying because i have played in 1 main event (only cause i was unable to get to the festival for the event i wanted to) that i am now a PRO?

i am sure it was called the amatuer

the reason some of us play large buy in freezeouts is because there are no small buy in freezeouts that make it worthwhile to spend £400-£500 travel cost

When have I said you are a pro???. I believe I have said it is difficult to define who is an amateur or a pro and unworkable to monitor. I do however believe I have said your NOT a pro so don't quite understand how you have concluded that I have said you are. I have merely dared to suggest a workable scheme that is possible to monitor to hopeful see more of the target market, as defined earlier in this thread by an APAT organiser, get the chance to play. Do you think anybody should be allowed to play???. Do you feel it is a good thing if the people APAT have suggested as is it's CORE market miss out on the opportunity just because some other players want to join in what they see as a good social event (I'm sure some also have their eyes on the nice added prizes as well). Do you think the amateur event will go if it is seen to have it's event swamped by "regular" faces on the festival circuit???

Ironside, if by me clearly saying your Not a pro gets then gets me accussed of me calling you a pro then there really isn't much more for me to say. I also believe that I stated that APAT always has the "common sense" rule they can make allownces such as maybe someone like yourself. The line has to be drawn somewhere and I have merely made a suggestion.

I wish APAT the best of luck in whether it's an Amatuer event or an Anybody event.  

[Ironside]

if i am not a pro i must be an amateur or is the some middle ground i dont know about?

so either i can join the APAT or i cant if i cant i must be classed as a pro

i am an amateur and therefore should be allowed to play in the APAT

if i ever entered a comp that was for PROs only then i would no longer be an amateur

but just because i SAVE up my money to be able to play a main event should not remove my AMATEUR status and therefore i SHOULD be allowed to play on the AMATEUR TOUR

[Karabiner]

We all know that you are a pro Ironside.


















A pro fish 

[thediceman]

OK everybody is an amateur other than those few sponsored players and everybody should be able to play. I look forward to watching it, because I certaintly won't be playing an "amateur" event if it is swaped with many a familar name regularly seen at festival big events. It's nolonger designed for the market recreational/hobby but for the 99.9% of the poker players. I look forward to watching the following amateurs play the APAT events. All snooker players, infact any sport stars, the wealthy business man, any profitable poker player, infact anybody who can regularly fork out £1000 to play festival main events. How amatuer would the event be if it is filled with these persons. And before anybody says they wouldn't be interested I say just look at some of the players who attend Luton's "rookie" night.

One of the key reasons so many poker players never play at a casino is the fact that they worry that they will be up against professional players milking them for every penny. I had hoped this amateur event may be an opportunity to attract some of the mass market of recreational players to make that leap. It however appears it is more important to include 99.9% of players as amateurs so everybody can play this limited 120 player event. Looks like the future of poker remains a closed shop.

NB: naturally the above is my flippant response to the demands that everybody is an amateur and therefore able to play this amateur tour. I hope the APAT create something other than an open event which will be dominated by players who are already part of the poker festival scene.  

[tikay]

OK, it's 0450, & I have to meet a friend at Manchester Airport at 0900, so I need to be away by 0600.

It was all going so well, then you have to go and spoil it all with this bit of fiction .... tikay has a friend ??  no one is gonna buy that ffs

That was a typo. I meant to type "fiend".

[TightEnd]

OK everybody is an amateur other than those few sponsored players and everybody should be able to play. I look forward to watching it, because I certaintly won't be playing an "amateur" event if it is swaped with many a familar name regularly seen at festival big events. It's nolonger designed for the market recreational/hobby but for the 99.9% of the poker players. I look forward to watching the following amateurs play the APAT events. All snooker players, infact any sport stars, the wealthy business man, any profitable poker player, infact anybody who can regularly fork out £1000 to play festival main events. How amatuer would the event be if it is filled with these persons. And before anybody says they wouldn't be interested I say just look at some of the players who attend Luton's "rookie" night.

One of the key reasons so many poker players never play at a casino is the fact that they worry that they will be up against professional players milking them for every penny. I had hoped this amateur event may be an opportunity to attract some of the mass market of recreational players to make that leap. It however appears it is more important to include 99.9% of players as amateurs so everybody can play this limited 120 player event. Looks like the future of poker remains a closed shop.

NB: naturally the above is my flippant response to the demands that everybody is an amateur and therefore able to play this amateur tour. I hope the APAT create something other than an open event which will be dominated by players who are already part of the poker festival scene.  

we have not reached the end of our deliberations yet, please do not jump to conclusions that what you describe and fear will be the case

Thanks for making your views known so well...and watch this space!

[Ironside]

it is called the amateur  poker tour not the novice poker tour

i think there is a call for 3 tours

the amateur the novice and the pro tours

once you move up from one to another you cant move down

[thetank]

i think there is a call for 3 tours

the amateur the novice and the pro tours

How about a coach tour?

[I, Zimbra]

i think there is a call for 3 tours

the amateur the novice and the pro tours

How about a coach tour?

All aboard the (bitter) bus!!!