Launch of the Amateur Poker Association & Tour (APAT)

[Dingdell]

When we elect MP's we expect them to represent our views to the best of their ability, but we do hopefully realise that at times they will have to go in another direction we don't agree with to reach an acceptable conclusion.

IMHO APAT is different - it is already formed before we join(we haven't formed the party so to speak or given them the ability to govern - they are already there), we know who is respresenting us and we have to trust them to do this to the best of their ability with our best interests at heart, knowing full well that they can't please us all, all of the time.

I think the membership fee is to pay for their expenses, setting up of the organisation and giving us the opportunity to have our views heard by people who can influence, although not necesarrily choose to act upon them.

[The Clock]

regarding the 1st live event, just want to confirm my understanding...

will everyone who has joined APAT (full membership) be entered into the draw for seats, regardless of whether they have registered an interest in playing or not?

if you have to be a member AND register interest online, is there any way of checking if your name is on the list of potentials?

Ta.

[tikay]

It's actually really rather bizarre, when I look back on it. I mean, we got mixed up with our numbers early on & some confusion reigned for a few days on Reg Fees. Our fault, I said sorry, case closed. Meanwhile, it got inferred that we were creaming off the difference between £67.50 & £68.25. A one-eyed donkey could reason out that it was a simple mistake, but within no time, it had been suggested we were at it. One very well known blonde, who I mistakenly thought knew me better, even PM'd me to tell me "it's not a good idea to syphon off that 75p, people will notice".... Really?

When they nit-pick & scrape the bottom of the barrel to that degree, well, you have to smile.

Hope it wasn't me? What I said was

Tikay,

I didn't consider for one moment that you or Richard would be trying to squeeze ANY money out of it. I was just concerned that it would breach Gaming Commission Guidelines, even if it was 10 pence. This was what was concerning me? .......

I have raised my concerns earlier and will not requestion as I know you have a great deal to contend with, but regarding rules and structures, and "standard" rules. I have read APAT's rules, who made them? Not saying they are bad, but surely the members should have a say. Is this not what the membership fee was for, to have a say? The structure issue is a prime example, are we (TD's) expected to follow these guidelines without any input?

Gaming Commission or not, we do not really wish to nick 10p, please be assured!

Who made the APAT Rules? We adapted them, the best (in our opinion) from various. We had to publish them when we Launched, BEFORE we recruited any Members, so it was not possible to consult with Members we did not have. When the Members have formed a committee, which I shall organise them to do, THEY will make representations as to all these matters. We HAD to Launch with something, & there were no Members at the time. Anyone who is a Member will enjoy the right to have their views put forward. If you became a Member, then it would include you, obviously.

But, one of us is missing the point here. Until the Mambership have got their Committee organised, we have to go with "our" original set of Rules. We have to start somewhere! Have I got this wrong?

[tikay]

regarding the 1st live event, just want to confirm my understanding...

will everyone who has joined APAT (full membership) be entered into the draw for seats, regardless of whether they have registered an interest in playing or not?

if you have to be a member AND register interest online, is there any way of checking if your name is on the list of potentials?

Ta.

Hi Mr Clock,

Yes, you must "register an interest" to be entered for the draw.

If you are unsure if you are registered, write to either "customer@apat.com" or "tony@apat.com" & we'll have a look.

Is that OK?

Take care now.

[Ginger]

Ok, I'll just add this one point on the structure. Simply looking at the jumps in the BB it's blatantly obvious (to me anyway) that it needs amending, whether you choose to do so or not is out of members hands it would seem (unfortunately)


Current structure:


200/400
                    }200
300/600
                    }200
400/800
                    }200
500/1000
                    }200
600/1200
                    }800
1000/2000
                    }1000
1500/3000
                    }2000
2000/4000
                    }2000
3000/6000
                    }2000
4000/8000
                    }2000
5000/10,000
                    }2000
6000/12,000
                    }4000
8000/16,000
                    }4000
10,000/20,000
                    }10,000
15000/30,0000
                    }10,000
20,000/40,000


Proposed by several:



200/400
                    }200
300/600
                    }200
400/800      
                    }400
600/1200
                    }400
800/1600
                    }400
1000/2000
                    }1000
1500/3000
                    }2000
2000/4000
                    }2000
3000/6000
                    }2000
4000/8000
                    }2000
5000/10,000
                    }2000
6000/12,000
                    }4000
8000/16,000
                    }4000
10,000/20,000
                    }10,000
15000/30,0000
                    }10,000
20,000/40,000

Having the "missing level" replaced, the structure is much smoother, and common sense would surely say that most PLAYERS would prefer it that way.

[dik9]

Gaming Commission or not, we do not really wish to nick 10p, please be assured!

Tikay, you are misreading me I think, I am not advocating that you are nicking anything.

But, one of us is missing the point here. Until the Mambership have got their Committee organised, we have to go with "our" original set of Rules. We have to start somewhere! Have I got this wrong?

Rules look good, well the limited rules that are shown anyway, as they are the same as the Broadway 44-71 at least. Are these your set in stone rules for APAT or do/will people have a say in them?

[ifm]

regarding the 1st live event, just want to confirm my understanding...

will everyone who has joined APAT (full membership) be entered into the draw for seats, regardless of whether they have registered an interest in playing or not?

yes that is my understanding

Wouldn't it be better to only draw only from people who would attend?
Including people in a draw that won't be going affects the chances of the ones that would being drawn doesn't it?

[tikay]

Ok, I'll just add this one point on the structure. Simply looking at the jumps in the BB it's blatantly obvious (to me anyway) that it needs amending, whether you choose to do so or not is out of members hands it would seem (unfortunately)


Current structure:


200/400
                    }200
300/600
                    }200
400/800
                    }200
500/1000
                    }200
600/1200
                    }800
1000/2000
                    }1000
1500/3000
                    }2000
2000/4000
                    }2000
3000/6000
                    }2000
4000/8000
                    }2000
5000/10,000
                    }2000
6000/12,000
                    }4000
8000/16,000
                    }4000
10,000/20,000
                    }10,000
15000/30,0000
                    }10,000
20,000/40,000


Proposed by several:



200/400
                    }200
300/600
                    }200
400/800      
                    }400
600/1200
                    }400
800/1600
                    }400
1000/2000
                    }1000
1500/3000
                    }2000
2000/4000
                    }2000
3000/6000
                    }2000
4000/8000
                    }2000
5000/10,000
                    }2000
6000/12,000
                    }4000
8000/16,000
                    }4000
10,000/20,000
                    }10,000
15000/30,0000
                    }10,000
20,000/40,000

Having the "missing level" replaced, the structure is much smoother, and common sense would surely say that most PLAYERS would prefer it that way.

Thanks Jane. We have said - this afternoon - that we asre going to takle another look. We have had a telephone conference call on it in the last half hour. Bear with us please, & thanks for your helpful suggestions.

[TightEnd]

ifm, i cocked up in this response...see tikay's response above...you have to have registered an interest.

[ifm]

ifm, i cocked up in this response...see tikay's response above...you have to have registered an interest.

Ha........gotcha!!
Thanks but some may have registered an interest purely because you could, it cost nothing and there was no obligation when doing so.

[tikay]

Ginger said.....

"....Ok, I'll just add this one point on the structure. Simply looking at the jumps in the BB it's blatantly obvious (to me anyway) that it needs amending, whether you choose to do so or not is out of members hands it would seem (unfortunately....."

NOTHING is out of our Members hands, but as I said in my reply to dik9, we have to start somewhere. Are we listening to you? Yes - as you will see within a few minutes.

[TightEnd]

Announcement on first event structure

We are going with the www.apat.com structure with one important difference. The addition of 800-1600 instead of 500-1000 following a team consultation this afternoon

This resolves the inadvertent problem caused earlier by a different structure being posted (sorry!) and hopefully reflects your feedback.

  

[tikay]

Gaming Commission or not, we do not really wish to nick 10p, please be assured!

Tikay, you are misreading me I think, I am not advocating that you are nicking anything.

But, one of us is missing the point here. Until the Mambership have got their Committee organised, we have to go with "our" original set of Rules. We have to start somewhere! Have I got this wrong?

Rules look good, well the limited rules that are shown anyway, as they are the same as the Broadway 44-71 at least. Are these your set in stone rules for APAT or do/will people have a say in them?

As I just replied, to you, Members, once they are organised, WILL have a say in them. I really don't know how else to express it!


Nothing is cast in stone. Except changing structures & Rules mid-comp.

Are we as one now?

[Dingdell]

Yes!

[tikay]

ifm, i cocked up in this response...see tikay's response above...you have to have registered an interest.

Ha........gotcha!!
Thanks but some may have registered an interest purely because you could, it cost nothing and there was no obligation when doing so.

Fair point ifm.

But the Draw will be for 200 seats, so if someone can't attend, after Registering an interest, the Seat goes to the next on the list.