Who folds here?

[snoopy1239]

If i re-raise i can checkdown for free if i feel the need. Or value bet if he is AQ which is what i think he has here.

If he caps it i know i am dead to a set and can pass.

but if he bets the river haven't u lost a bet unnecessarily?

I've never played limit so don't know diddly squat.

[mikkyT]

If i re-raise i can checkdown for free if i feel the need. Or value bet if he is AQ which is what i think he has here.

If he caps it i know i am dead to a set and can pass.

but if he bets the river haven't u lost a bet unnecessarily?

I've never played limit so don't know diddly squat.

Diddly squat is exactly what you have. You've only got king high.

[TightEnd]

My mistake turn is A spades not A hearts

[TightEnd]

Here is the justification for the fold:


" When you get raised on the turn, you are almost always beat with one pair. On occasion you are against a tricky player who likes to semi-bluff draws on the expensive street. There is $175 in the pot and it costs you $20 to call. These are pot odds of 9-1. If your opponent is raising on the turn, then the number of outs you have depends on his second pair. If he has Aces over nines, you have three outs (any king). If he has Aces over you have six outs (3 kings, 3 nines). With Aces over treys you have nine outs (each of 3 kings, nines or sevens). So one might conclude that on average you have six outs, which is a 7-1 shot, so you have pot odds to call. However if your opponent does have two pair, you do not know which two pair, and you may lose additional money on the river. Since he cold called your pre flop raise he is more likely to have done this wiith 99,77,33 or A9 than any other holding. Fold"


This is apparently taken from

"Middle Limit Hold Em"by Ciaffone and Brier


and I still don't think it's a fold!!!

what about AQ,AJ,A10?

[Robert HM]

He's covered that AQ AJ AT scenario with "When you get raised on the turn, you are almost always beat with one pair".

Factor in the chance that you opponent is on a pure bluff and the odds seem even more attractive. It's a call IMHO

[Coca919]

Yep, I can't see folding as an option here.  If he has you beat then this time you're just gonna have to pay him off. But there is definately a strong chance of AJ/AQ/A10 so you can't just assume you're behind everytime. I think you're giving the average limit player more respect than they deserve by laying down in this situation.  However, if you know your opponent as a solid player then you might be able to get away from this one at times.  But to the average joe, no chance.

[mikkyT]

In a tournament I might be inclined to fold and find a better spot to put my chips in, but then it all depends on who I am in the pot against and what the likelyhood of them holding cards that beat me, or on a pure bluff.

But then I wouldn't be in a limit tournament and I'd have either bet the flop big and pot commited myself when betting the ace on the turn, or folded to a big bet

[snoopy1239]

Concluding that you are definitley beat on the turn is a bit of wild assumption. If you keep folding to a reraise in this position then people are gonna know they can push you off decent holdings with nowt.

[Ironside]

in a limit cash game its an easy call the reraise is just as likey to be a guy making a move with Ax (proberly AQ or AJ) when you raised preflop and on the flop he has you on a PP proberly higher than a 9 so calls looking to move you off your hand on the turn

[redsimon]

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Diddly squat is exactly what you have. You've only got king high.
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Surely Top Pair Top kicker, not "king High"

[Maroon]

I would definately call here.  Pot odds dictate.  It's limit and not going to make me broke.  If it were NL and I knew him to be solid I might lay it down but even then I think it would be hard to get away from TPTK and pot odds.

[mikkyT]

Diddly squat is exactly what you have. You've only got king high.

Surely Top Pair Top kicker, not "king High"

No, because in his original example, he had 2 Ah in the deck, which either means a bum deal, new deck, new dealer OR you misread your hand and you actually hold something like K2 not AK

But he's editted it now, original is quoted in first page though.

[ifm]

next time i play limit with Ciaffone and Brier i'll raise the turn everytime, but before i do i'll order my ferrari cuz it's EASY money