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« on: September 20, 2006, 03:03:33 AM »

Internet Poker, pot-limit.  I start the hand with 200BB, as does Player C.  Player B is shorter.

The flop is 45x, with two hearts.  I have A3xx and the nut flush draw, and am first to act. There has been no pre-flop raise.  I check.  Player B checks.  Player C checks.

The turn brings a non-heart 2, giving me the wheel.  (No other flush draw is possible.)  I bet the pot.  Player B calls. Player C raises the pot.  At this point, I put Player C on the wheel but not Player B. (Maybe he has two pair and a crap flush draw?)  I call, expecting Player B to do the same.

But instead, Player B thinks momentarily and decides to raise all-in.  Player C immediately re-raises the pot.  He has put in half his stack now and still has 100BB behind.

1. Would you have played it differently up to this point?
2. What do Player B and Player C have?
3. What is your move (and why)?
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2006, 09:04:02 AM »

1. No
2. One of them has the nut straight (3,6).  The other the wheel.  IMO.
3. You have a lot invested.  It smells like you're quartered but you could hit the flush for the high.  A tough spot but I think my chips are going in here, if I'm stuck in the quartered low I can still river the high.

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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2006, 10:57:51 AM »

I agree with this analysis. You are probably behind to the nut straight and the other likely has the wheel. You haven't posted any info on the players though and it seems plausible that Player B has pushed with something like 55.

So, the situation is :

1) You are behind to nut straight and quartered with a draw to the nut flush - 60%.
2) You are behind to nut straight but ahead for the low with nut flush draw - 15%.
3) You and one player have the wheel - you have draw to the nut flush - 15%.
4) All three of you have the wheel - you have draw to the nut flush - 5%.
5) You are ahead for the high and the low with draw to the nut flush - 5%.

Depending upon your knowledge of the players you can decide what percentage of the time they are most likely. The above are just suggestions. It is not clear if you are getting the correct pot odds to call when you are in bad shape which is the majority of the time, but there are also times when you are in good shape. With more info you can calculate what the correct play here is. I suspect your chips should be going in.

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2006, 12:14:28 PM »

You haven't told us about your views on the playing styles/notes/tendencies of the others. This might help me sway a tough decision

I think you've played it fine,  I'd think I was behind and of course calculating pot odds is tough. There may be non nut flush draws in the other players hands that they think are working for them

Even so, I suspect I'd be sticking it in given the time I'd have to work out these complexities. ie not enough!
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2006, 04:08:31 PM »

Thanks for the replies.  To TightEnd--I'm afraid I didn't really have any information on the opponents; I assumed Player C was a good player because he had a big stack but of course that's not always an accurate read!  The main pot was 180BB and the side pot would be 280BB if I move all-in and get called.

In the end, I decided Player B had the wheel, and Player C had at least the nut straight but I was worried he had nut-nut; also they might be holding some hearts, so less flush outs for me.

The prospect of being sixthed in the main pot and three-quartered on the side pot convinced me to fold.  Anyway, Player B had A3xx and Player C had 336x, neither had a flush draw, and they split the pot.  With hindsight, I think moving all-in would have been slightly more +EV.
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