The fat lady isnt singing yet

[Maddog]

Interesting piece from Cardplayer.com
published on: Tuesday Oct 03, 2006
U.S. Gaming Prohibition Violates WTO Agreements
WTO Has Ruled Against the US in Past Cases Concerning Online Gambling

The United Kingdom is one of more than 60 nations in the world that passed laws to allow, tax, and regulate online gaming, including poker, on its soil. It’s the first truly industrialized nation to do so, as well as the richest. And as a member of the World Trade Organization, with millions of dollars at stake, it will soon have to decided to try to take on the strongest nation in the world.

The WTO has already ruled against the US for attempting to ban online gambling, and now that anti-online gambling legislation has made it through Congress, more WTO complaints will probably be filed. The U.K might find itself in that line. Read about the way it was sneaked through here, and what it means to online players here.

The WTO was set up to protect fair and free trade among its members, and it has ruled that it considers online gambling to be a product that should be freely traded. It’s hard to believe that the US won’t face more lawsuits now that it has taken a stricter approach at curbing online gambling.

A precedent has even already been established.

Tiny Waves

In 1994, Antigua and Barbuda was one of the first nations of the world to embrace online gambling, and since then the little island nation has become a hub of online businesses who have embraced regulation. Antigua and Barbuda joined the World Trade Organization as a charter member in 1995.

So far, 30 companies are licensed by Antigua and Barbuda’s Division of Gaming. The Division of Gaming constantly monitors its licensees and suspends licenses whenever it finds infractions. The rules that the Division of Gaming follows have roots in New Jersey. Frank Catania of Catania Consulting Group, Inc. wrote most of the regulations. He’s a former director of gaming enforcement in New Jersey.

Antigua and Barbuda’s book operators have historically faced prosecution from the US government. Three founding members of World Sports Exchange were indicted for fraud, racketeering, and other things a few years ago. One of the members tried to fight the charges, but was found guilty and spent several months in prison. The other two members haven’t been back to the US since.

The arrests and the United States’ attempts at curbing online gambling prompted Antigua and Barbuda to file a complaint with the World Trade Organization in 2003. Antigua claimed that the US systematically violated the WTO’s General Agreement of Trade in Services (GATS) by trying to stop its residents from using services offered by companies located in Antigua.

It took a year, but the WTO ruled in Antigua’s favor and struck down the US’s appeals in 2005, writing that US had adopted "measures" that interfered with its obligation to provide free trade in betting and gambling services with Antigua and Barbuda.

Part of the US’s reasoning that claimed it was in the right to stop online gambling was that it believes that online gambling is morally wrong. The appellate body ruled that the US could not make that claim since it allows gambling on its shores.

To date, the United States has essentially ignored the ruling. The US Trade Office has said that it would not ask Congress to weaken the gambling provisions that has been in place since the Wire Act became law in the late ’60s, and has given Antigua and Barbuda the silent treatment with this issue ever since.

There’s no doubt that the size and economic power of Antigua made it easier for the US to ignore the WTO’s ruling. The future is hard to predict, but with so many dollars at stake, surely one nation will step up to the US and try to again swing away at this issue. It just may be one of the strongest nations in the world and one of our closest allies.

[Jon MW]

I did wonder about whether the WTO could get involved in this issue, and it's good that it obviously is within their remit.

If the Government did get behind this it could influence the US, if nothing else some horse trading with regards to support for other problems the States has with the WTO could be used to persuade them to give ground on this issue in return for help with other areas.

But this fundamentally relies on our side having a bit of backbone and standing up to them, unfortunately I rather suspect that spinelessness will prevail and this won't provide the lifeline it could do.

[boldie]

The US has never cared about the WTO (or the UN or any international organisation that it's a member off) the WTO could theoratically impose fines on the US but we all know it won't.

The politicians can sell any interference by the WTO as "those other, less developed, less free nations interfering with OUR US highly moral law again" and in the states that will go down very well even though it might be on an issue the Americans themselves don't actually agree with.

the WTO can scream all it wants, essentially it's an organisation set up by the rich to dominate the weaker nations...this will never change. Britain will NEVER go against the states on this one...and even if they did disagree, the issue is not important enough to most governments to actually fight with "their closest ally" over. There is only 1 Economic power in the world that can cause the US to change it's mind and that's China. and China doesn't really care...yet.

[ariston]

"george, what are you doing mate? We have billions of pounds in taxes paid to us by online gaming sites and associated businesses and also tens of thousands of jobs on the line"

"uh what you talking about Tony, I just sign what I'm told to sign......sorry mate"

"ah forget about it mate, where are we invading this week?"

[Jon MW]

"george, what are you doing mate? We have billions of pounds in taxes paid to us by online gaming sites and associated businesses and also tens of thousands of jobs on the line"

"uh what you talking about Tony, I just sign what I'm told to sign......sorry mate"

"ah forget about it mate, where are we invading this week?"

[byronkincaid]

The US has never cared about the WTO (or the UN or any international organisation that it's a member off) the WTO could theoratically impose fines on the US but we all know it won't.

The politicians can sell any interference by the WTO as "those other, less developed, less free nations interfering with OUR US highly moral law again" and in the states that will go down very well even though it might be on an issue the Americans themselves don't actually agree with.

the WTO can scream all it wants, essentially it's an organisation set up by the rich to dominate the weaker nations...this will never change. Britain will NEVER go against the states on this one...and even if they did disagree, the issue is not important enough to most governments to actually fight with "their closest ally" over. There is only 1 Economic power in the world that can cause the US to change it's mind and that's China. and China doesn't really care...yet.

JC2006's posts on 2+2 are very interesting about this. He is the guy who set up WSEX spent 18 months in jail because of it, and is instrumental in organising the Antiguans. Apparently the WTO can allow Antigua to pirate US goods (DVDs etc) if the US ignore the ruling. Otherwise sets a precident that any country can ignore them which they will not want to happen.

[turny]

phew!


see this topic and had horrible thoughts that involved kev attending his local pub on karoake night dressed in his weekend around the house wear!

[thetank]

So we can expect to be able to trade in our Party points for dodgy hollywood releases on DVD quite soon?