liverpool "the most over rated team in england"

[kinboshi]

every liverpool supporter i know was spouting at the start of this season that they would be the main danger to chelsea in the premiership so imo it wasnt just the media.

You don't go to Anfield much then?

man utd are man utd, they have the best manager to ever grace the game and as well as attractive football they can knuckle down and pull together to get a result.

Ermmm, according to who?  I'd argue he's one of the best managers to have managed in England, along with Paisley and Shankly. 

back on topic personally im not sure if benetez is the man to take liverpool forward, his use of the most inform english striker in peter crouch baffles me.

He was successful at Valencia, he's brought Liverpool more success in the past few seasons than we've had for over a decade and a half.  He'll get the time from the Liverpool board, and I have no doubts he's the right man.  Even if I don't understand some of his team selections recently.  I'd argue he's made mistakes, but that doesn't make him the wrong man for the job.  We're moving forward, and in a few seasons we'll hopefully be good enough to seriously challenge for the title.

[turny]

no i dont get to anfield much as im not a liverpool supporter. never once said i did. i said all the liverpool supporters i know some of whom do visit anfield regularly were spouting on about liverpool challenging this year.along with numerous liverpool fans on here and radio phone ins.

paisly and shankly were great manager but personally i think ferguson outshines them both.the game today is a lot harder than it was in the 60/70s and has moved on. ferguson has achieve what he done over a longer period of time so IMO is the best manager ever.............and by the way i dont support manchester united.


so you think benetez is the right guy and your happy to wait a few seasons to seriously challenge for the title?
hes had a few years now i cant see him being given a few more before hes challenging by the board or the supporters of liverpool can you?

[Acidmouse]

I like Liverpool, but they sure was average again Man Poo at the weekend.

Like the expert pundits keep saying I believe he should keep the same team week in week out as best he can, also play Gerrard in centre midfield where he is most effective running the show.

[SupaMonkey]

Paisley's nine seasons in charge, Liverpool won six League titles and finished second twice, 3 League Cup's the first time that Liverpool had won the trophy, 1 UEFA Cup, 1 European Super Cup, 5 Charity Shield's and most significantly they won the club's first 3 European Cups.

I thought he won 8 league titles, dunno why i thought that.

Anyway, This record is far better than Fergy's.

[Acidmouse]

Aye but history meaning nothing apart from bragging rights tbh.

[SupaMonkey]

Yea, and something to sing about when you go to matches.

[matt674]

Paisley's nine seasons in charge, Liverpool won six League titles and finished second twice, 3 League Cup's the first time that Liverpool had won the trophy, 1 UEFA Cup, 1 European Super Cup, 5 Charity Shield's and most significantly they won the club's first 3 European Cups.

I thought he won 8 league titles, dunno why i thought that.

Anyway, This record is far better than Fergy's.

Under ferguson united have won:

8 League titles
5 FA Cup
2 League Cup
6 Charity Shields
1 Champions League
1 UEFA cup
1 European Super Cup
1 World Club Championship

[SupaMonkey]

Yes, but that is in 20 years.

[matt674]

true - but who could say had Paisley not retired in 1983 when the great Liverpool team of the late 70's and early 80's had broken up whether he could have continued that good record rebuilding a team?

Whilst Ferguson has taken 20 years to achieve what he has instead of the 9 seasons that Paisley did it he managed it by continually rebuilding teams which could be argued is a greater achievement.

To be honest in my opinion they both have magnificent records in their own rights - different era's and in different ways. Who knows whether Ferguson would have had success in Paisleys era and visa versa. To me its impossible to say one way or another that one is better than the other.

[kinboshi]

no i dont get to anfield much as im not a liverpool supporter. never once said i did. i said all the liverpool supporters i know some of whom do visit anfield regularly were spouting on about liverpool challenging this year.along with numerous liverpool fans on here and radio phone ins.

I'd gathered you weren't a Red.  There might be a few fans who believe what they read in the press, but most knowledgable Liverpool fans would have been more hopeful that we could compete in the league this season than confident we would.  I'm very active on a number of LFC supporters forums, and there's been little talk of us being one of the favourites to win the league this season.  As for the radio phone ins...sorry, most of the people that phone in are idiots who cry for a manager to be sacked one week, and knighted the next.

paisly and shankly were great manager but personally i think ferguson outshines them both.the game today is a lot harder than it was in the 60/70s and has moved on. ferguson has achieve what he done over a longer period of time so IMO is the best manager ever.............and by the way i dont support manchester united.

Shankly did what he did without the money man u have (and incidently at the time when he took Liverpool from nowhere to be the most successful club in English football, man u had all the money and were the 'big club').  Why is it harder now?  Other people have posted Paisley's successes, so I won't reiterate them here.  You could argue it was harder then than it is now.  Today only a handful of clubs have the resources to challenge for the title, it wasn't like that until the money in football became ridiculous.

so you think benetez is the right guy and your happy to wait a few seasons to seriously challenge for the title?
hes had a few years now i cant see him being given a few more before hes challenging by the board or the supporters of liverpool can you?

Show me when Liverpool have sacked a manager - when they haven't given him a chance time-wise or in terms of money to back him?  Liverpool do give their managers time.  Benitez will be given time, and the support of the board.  Give it two years, and we'll be challenging for the title.

[kinboshi]

To be honest in my opinion they both have magnificent records in their own rights - different era's and in different ways. Who knows whether Ferguson would have had success in Paisleys era and visa versa. To me its impossible to say one way or another that one is better than the other.

That was my point.  ferguson isn't undoubtedly the greatest manager in the history of English football - no matter what Sky says.  Shankly and Paisley's achievements rival his.  Ferguson won the treble, Paisley retained the European Cup - which is the biggest achievement out of those two?  Both very, very impressive.

Two Scots and a Geordie.  Don't know if that's significant...probably not, but it's interesting anyway!

[turny]

and as i said its my opinion and im entitled to it and no matter what facts or figures thrown at me my people with red tinted glasses will change my mind.

5 years for a manager before hes expected to challenge for the  title is a long time for a big club again imo

[matt674]

That was my point.  ferguson isn't undoubtedly the greatest manager in the history of English football - no matter what Sky says.  Shankly and Paisley's achievements rival his.  Ferguson won the treble, Paisley retained the European Cup - which is the biggest achievement out of those two?  Both very, very impressive.

Two Scots and a Geordie.  Don't know if that's significant...probably not, but it's interesting anyway!

Ahh yes but Shankly's and Paisley's achievements occured before sky television and therefore in their eyes they dont count

If it isnt on Sky then it doesnt exist!!

[SupaMonkey]

and as i said its my opinion and im entitled to it and no matter what facts or figures thrown at me my people with red tinted glasses will change my mind.

5 years for a manager before hes expected to challenge for the  title is a long time for a big club again imo

It took Fergy 6 years to win the league and Man U were the richest club in Britain at the time.

[Acidmouse]

I vaugly remember when live footy was on ITV and the coverage was a right load of pap.