Omaha Hi/Low tournament hand

[Pilf]

I'm not much of a Hi/Low player but found myself enjoying this comp last week so decided to enter again last night.


Full Tilt Poker Game #1143922666: Double Stack $10 + $1 (7767129), Table 9 - 1000/2000 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi/Lo - 18:39:49 ET - 2006/10/24
Seat 2: wasmerwasmer (8,153)
Seat 3: chasingriver (148,783)
Seat 5: UnderDawg420 (24,781)
Seat 6: rjbush03 (90,702)
Seat 7: Pilf (32,694)
Seat 8: BawlzDeep (39,887)
rjbush03 posts the small blind of 1,000
Pilf posts the big blind of 2,000
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Pilf [ Ah]
BawlzDeep folds
wasmerwasmer calls 2,000
chasingriver calls 2,000
UnderDawg420 folds
rjbush03 calls 1,000
Pilf checks
*** FLOP *** [ ]
rjbush03 checks
Pilf checks
wasmerwasmer checks
chasingriver bets 4,000
rjbush03 calls 4,000
Pilf calls 4,000
wasmerwasmer calls 4,000
*** TURN *** [ ]

rjbush03 checks Pilf ?? What I'd like to know is  1) Am I right to call this 4k bet on the flop? 2) What's my optimum move on the turm??  1st pays $310, 2nd $195, 3rd$146, 4th$115, 5th $86, 6th $63. Any thoughts are appreciated.

[JungleCat03]

1) NO. you can find better spots than drawing at a gutshot / J hi flush draw.

2) I can't see the  turn. If it's a non-spade T then dont slowplay, pot. If it's a spade ug, depends, but I would be hoping to get a cheap showdown with it.

If it's a low spade it's even less attractive to put any more chips in seeing as you now only really have half the pot to aim at, barring some funky counterfeiting. Any other card, check fold.

[Pilf]

Editted my first post to show 10 of diamonds.
shoulda checked it through
I thought it was a loose call on the flop but wasnt sure the raiser had anything.
He did!
I potted but got 2 callers. (1 short) which i expected.
I think I threw the hand away on the flop really.


Pilf bets 24,000
wasmerwasmer calls 2,153, and is all in
chasingriver calls 24,000
rjbush03 folds
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Pilf checks
chasingriver bets 2,694
Pilf calls 2,694, and is all in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
chasingriver shows [ ] (a flush, Queen high)
Pilf shows [ Ah] (a straight, Queen high)
chasingriver wins the side pot (49,082) with a flush, Queen high
wasmerwasmer mucks
chasingriver wins the main pot (30,459) with a flush, Queen high
wasmerwasmer stands up
Pilf stands up
The blinds are now 1,200/2,400
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 79,541 Main pot 30,459. Side pot 49,082. | Rake 0
Board: [ ]
Seat 2: wasmerwasmer mucked [ ] - HI: Ace Queen high
Seat 3: chasingriver showed [ ] and won (79,541) with HI: a flush, Queen high
Seat 5: UnderDawg420 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: rjbush03 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 7: Pilf (big blind) showed [ Ah] and lost with HI: a straight, Queen high
Seat 8: BawlzDeep didn't bet (folded)

[JungleCat03]

Yep, ul you played the turn correctly given the stacks although he had a lot of outs to catch up. It's unfortunate.

The flop call isn't good though. This is the trouble.

on the flop....

chasingriver bets 4,000
rjbush03 calls 4,000
Pilf calls 4,000
wasmerwasmer calls 4,000

You're the third caller. Your draw is weak. Jack high flush draw with multiple people seeing the flop. When you hit your flush, it's very hard for you to drive the betting as you won't know when you are good. Your low draw is also very weak and likely to be 3rd or 4th best here. You have 3 clean nut outs but even when you hit a hand like A2s is still in reasonable shape against you.

A lot of things can happen on the turn.

A hi spade comes and you aren't sure where you stand.

1) you bet weakly inviting a weaker flush + low to call and attack river when low comes in/ bluff if the board pairs on the river. Also you don't charge genuine sets / low draws much to call and allow them in cheaply to catch up and take the pot away/ split the pot.

2) you bet strongly committing yourself to the pot and run into a bigger flush/ get knocked out. Maybe you get lucky and are good and win. But this would be pure luck.

3) you check to control the pot. This is what i would personally do. See if other people like the flop before you commit any more chips with your 4th nut hand.

 A low spade comes.

1) You bet weakly allowing a made low to semi bluff you off your flush/ or raise when possibly freerolling you with low and 2 pair etc.

2) You check, inviting a made low to semi bluff you off the flop.

3) You bet strongly committing yourself. You get freerolled off for all your chips/ lose to a bigger flush. Maybe you are good for high and it holds up to net you half the pot. You make a small chip profit.

A T comes.

1) cool you have the nuts. Nice 3 outer!

The pot is too big for you to worry about getting freerolled off or slowplaying so just bet pot and hope for a good river!

Anything else comes.

1)  You have to fold to any resistance.


As you saw, even when you caught your miracle turn card, you still weren't a big favourite and his call was very justified, as he had 40% equity on the turn.

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pokenum  -o8   - qh js ah  -- td
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 40 enumerated boards containing
cards          scoop  HIwin  HIlos  HItie  LOwin  LOlos  LOtie     EV
         14     18     22      0      0      0      0  0.400
  Ah       22     22     18      0     15      0      0  0.600


Basically a long winded way of saying fold on the flop , you have enough chips to find a good spot or two.