APAT UK Amateur Poker Championship

[Sheriff Fatman]

Des

I didn't say APAT was begging for trouble, I said that the specific statement which implies that we should all merrily sit around on Saturday and wait for you to hit the 'sell' button on your site is begging for trouble.  That is EXACTLY what your email statement implies we are to be expected to do.  Justifying it by saying that we'll all be sat in front of our PC's anyway is, quite frankly, pathetic.

If you really fancy it, I'm sure you will get a seat at this event.  Focus 300 people on a very specific time and I would not be so sure. 

By 'fancy it' do you mean I should cancel all my plans for Saturday and sit around at home all day waiting for the 'magic moment?'  Sorry, but I can't do that.  I'd be very surprised if other member don't feel the same way.  Ultimately, if people miss out because they didn't happen to be at their PCs at the 'right moment' within a 24 hour timeframe then I think this will create more frustration than having a set time for sales which everyone knows about and can at least prepare for.  Perhaps you don't intend for this to be the case with the sales system, but the email that we received implies otherwise.  All I asked for was clarification on the issue because, as read, it left things hanging in the air as far as I was concerned.

As for my post being disrespectful, I'm not even going to dignify that particular statement with a response

Sheriff

[Bainn]

Firstly, thanks to the APA guys for letting us know and more importantly, arranging what i know will be another fantastic tournament.

As for sitting in front of a PC all day to try and get a seat ?  Well, i will spend a lot of time on the PC, to hopefully play some poker and hopefully be around when i can buy-in to the UK championship, as i have pretty much told myself this will be the only other APAt event i will play in.

If i miss my email or chance because i'm away from my PC, i admit i will be gutted, but what can you do?

The APA are trying to figure the best way of doing things, and yes, some disagree, but i hope the majority understand that they are working for the members of the APA and any future members.

I am quite sure this event will be a huge success like the last and i hope to see Tony, Des, Rich and Mel up at Aspers.

Good luck guys.

[ThinkerJE]

I for one will gladly give up my Saturday to sit in front of my PC all day if it means I have a chance to get a seat at Newcastle. 

There is a seat at the WSOP main event up for grabs (has no one else noticed this), surely that is motivation enough!!!  It is for me anyway.  Not to mention the actual tournament and all the fun that will be had over the weekend anyway.

You will not be able to please everyone.  They did a draw last time and that wasn't liked so the apat are trying something else based on the feedback from members.  I am sure similar feedback will be taken after event 2 and acted upon if neccessary.
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[turny]

FFS

Just got the email as well

You are kidding me right?? Who the F**K is gonna sit at their PC ALL DAY hitting refresh?

Surely this is a joke.

The above doesn't describe any number of occasions you sit at your PC ALL DAY hitting check...raise...fold?  No?

If I have to lose some friends today to make people understand that this is not just about experienced amateur players....APAT represents hundreds and hundreds of 'little' guys up and down the country and I don't think they will complain about giving this some time on Saturday.

Des.

des

with all due respect mate i think as apat director your replies to both sherrif and m3boy are extremely unprofessional.although in fairness to yourself pauls post in particular could of been better worded.

but surely you can see that by not having a particular time for sale of entry is unfair to all members not just "experienced amateur" players. most people are busy at weekends after working hard all week and it would be unfair to expect members to sit all day clicking the site just so they are on at the correct time.

i know how hard setting this event up has been and i know you cannot please everyone all of the time but please guys reconsider this part of the plan as imo your making a mistake by doing it this way.

i have been fully supportive of apat all along and will continue to do so i just hope i can get lucky on saturday to be online and clicking my mouse at the correct time as after missing the first event though a ballot i fully supported i would be guted to miss out becomes i was spending time with my kids or walking the dog.

good luck to all trying to obtain a place and heres to a successful event.

[M3boy]

ITB - agreed, but I wanted the frustration to show through.

Des, the problem I see is this :

There are double ranking points on offer for these live events - so my feelings are that everyone should have an equal chance of being able to win these. Double points could seriously alter a persons chance of winning the overall APAT championship wouldnt you agree? But both systems you have used so far in 'deciding' who plays and who doesnt , does not give everyone the chance to win these points - only the "lucky" chosen ones a chance to win these points.

Maybe the above is not very clear, but imagine this - Next years European ranking point events , the players will be chosen on a 'random' ballot process - can you imagine what would happen?? Well I see the same thing here. As for what the answer is, I dont know. Maybe have a "distance" factor bought in, weherby you can only play in an event if you live within a 100 mile radius (or county) for example. This then gives ALL members the oppotunity to play a certain amount of events.

As ITB has said, maybe my origional post could of been worded better, but for you to come on and just "dismiss" what people say and just "defend" the decisions you have made is just not on. Does not quite agree with this quote "provision of a clear communication channel for player feedback at the top of our agenda" from the APAT website does it?

As I have said before, I do not envy your task, as I know you cannot please everyone all of the time (its impossible) but I just feel that both of the methods you have used to allocate places has led yourself wide open for critisism and bad feeling.

[dik9]

Still waiting for the ASSOCIATION to kick in, seems like a gimmick for the tour to me? apaT

[Tombstone]

dial up - broadband - what if you dont have a computer 


How can I pay for my seat if I get 1 (paypal, cheque, etc)

[RioRodent]

I have to say that I am very dissapointed with this proposal of a 'non-disclosed' sale time... whilst I was not a big fan of the ballot (especially after I missed out in the draw), at least I was in with an equal chance of getting a seat.

This decision is in order not to "disadvantage members who do not have high speed broadband internet access"... how about not disadvataging members who may indeed be true amatuers and have jobs and simply can't be in front of their PC all day.

However, I am heartened by Des's comment, "If you really fancy it, I'm sure you will get a seat at this event."... I REALLY FANCY IT... so I'm sure to get a seat... although I'm not sure how this will work as I have no intention of sitting glued to my PC all day!! 

I think you either have to pick a time when most  people will be able to be at thier PC, perhaps 6.00 am, or go back to a ballot!!

(I really can't believe I'm proposing a ballot  )

[redsimon]

I'm just hoping that the "window" isn't between 1.30pm and 6pm when I will be going to or at or coming home fromseeing Forest crush Brentford

[Karabiner]

Would it not be reasonable to give those that missed out in the last ballot first refusal this time ?

[TheJagster]

Would it not be reasonable to give those that missed out in the last ballot first refusal this time ?

  but for purely selfish reasons!

[kinboshi]

I know it's not quite the same thing, but the London Marathon entry is done via a ballot.  If you don't succeed on getting in via the ballot, you can reapply the following year.  After 5 unsuccessful attempts, you are then guaranteed entry the following year.  It doesn't have to be 5 attempts, but maybe something similar could be adopted by the APAT?  Just a thought.

As for this event, it looks like I won't be able to make it this time.  I won't be near a computer on Saturday, so that will pretty much rule me out.

Nevermind, I'll look forward to the next one.

[Zebediah]

I have no problem with this, I would rather rely on my diligence to get a seat than hope to be lucky in the "raffle".
I will adjust my weekend plans accordingly, if you really want it you will do it.

Also really pleased about the new structure, the problem last time M3Boy was that 1st spot was 50% of the money plus the EPT package, so effectively more than all the other prizes put together.
I think due to the WSOP package the money can be spread more evenly across the top 9 or 18 places. 1st is still the one to go for.

[ripple11]

Completely agree....those who missed out, SHOULD be given first refusal.....and that would considerble help this first come first served 24 hour Krypton Factor test.

I just got wireless....so I'm Ok going to the loo

[TheJagster]

Given the top prize my idea would be to have the WSOP place for first and then ALL the money paid from 2nd down.