APAT UK Amateur Poker Championship

[snoopy1239]

goodnight

[turny]

ITB, not all seem to think it was a good post m8.

Tony, I am sorry you feel that way. I will say no more on the subject on this or any other forum.

I have tried and tried to put my thoughts into words, seems I have failed yet again.

you have explained yourself paul and apologised for your hot headedness u can do no more.

i also think the registration process is although not necessary a joke but imo a bad one.

the powers that be at apat were never gonna please everyone whichever method they chose, we just fall into the category of those not happy.

[tikay]

theres another potential problem.

what happens if rookie or someone else under 21 wins the event? is the wpt package transferable? will they be offered an alternative prize? or will they lose that prize to the highest placed ovr 21yo?

If an under 21 won the WSOP Package, we'd make sure he or she got the full value of their prize, one way or another.

[turny]

Guys, I'm afraid that's it for the night from me. I've been on the APAT case since around mid-morning Tuesday, that's 13 hours straight, and I'm very tired. I still have questions from ifm & Karabiner to deal with, & I promised to answer every question, but they will have to wait until tomorrow. (Wednesday). I have the patience of a Saint, but it's tough to deal with peeps telling us it's a joke when you have been on the case 13 hours straight.

It's a game of poker, for recreational players. That's all.

Goodnight all.

tony i think u being a bit harsh on m3 all he is sayin is he thinks the registration processes is a joke not the whole apat set up.

hes entitled to his opinion and im sure its an opinion shared by many maybe though not in such a strong worded fashion.

just like paul said im completly behind what the apat are trying to achieve as well and hopefully with these discussions things will improve further down the line.

also tony when u find the time could you or one of your colleagues address the under 21 issue regards the wsop package

sleep well tony and thanks for your hard work as always.

[turny]

theres another potential problem.

what happens if rookie or someone else under 21 wins the event? is the wpt package transferable? will they be offered an alternative prize? or will they lose that prize to the highest placed ovr 21yo?

If an under 21 won the WSOP Package, we'd make sure he or she got the full value of their prize, one way or another.

thanks tony u answered it whilst i was typing now get to bed

[Dingdell]

I think this compulsory involvement with APAT is a disgrace.

IMHO, people who are upset, annoyed or frustrated by it should be allowed to ignore it completely.

   innivotive as usual Red

[M3boy]

ITB, not all seem to think it was a good post m8.

Tony, I am sorry you feel that way. I will say no more on the subject on this or any other forum.

I have tried and tried to put my thoughts into words, seems I have failed yet again.

One last thing, I apologise for using the word "joke" - seems to have caused a bit of a reaction. It was not meant to be an attack or to be detremental to any memebr of the APAT - It was just my opinion that the registartion process was less than an ideal method.

So apologies once again - I am really bad with expressing myself - as I have proved yet again.

[tikay]

ITB, not all seem to think it was a good post m8.

Tony, I am sorry you feel that way. I will say no more on the subject on this or any other forum.

I have tried and tried to put my thoughts into words, seems I have failed yet again.

One last thing, I apologise for using the word "joke" - seems to have caused a bit of a reaction. It was not meant to be an attack or to be detremental to any memebr of the APAT - It was just my opinion that the registartion process was less than an ideal method.

So apologies once again - I am really bad with expressing myself - as I have proved yet again.

Thank you Paul.

"Less than ideal" - I could not agree more, & we are working to find the best solution - believe me, it is not as easy as some think.

 

[dik9]

Sorry Red Dog, but I cant ignore it?

I am one of the frustrated ones, I have so far been told that this will be the association that I will inevitably, have to have their "endorsement" ,to hold a decent competition. I can't play and soooo want something like this to succeed for the industry, I would like to join, but all i see is the opportunity to play a very decent added value comp. This is all about the tour!! If it was purely an association, we would now be somewhere forward, even just a little bit as we would be debating different things. As it is, all that has been talked about is the Tour

" The Association
The Association aspires to represent the interests of all non professional players in the UK. The APAT will engage government and industry bodies to enhance the player experience; with standardisation of rules, player friendly structures and the provision of a clear communication channel for player feedback at the top of our agenda.

In addition, the APAT will seek to negotiate commercial sponsorship agreements to bring significant additional prize value to the game, for the benefit of our Members. "


The rules aren't even finished?

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"Tables will be broken in a posted order / manner and available to all players, however; due to certain circumstances." ....................

due to certain circumstances what??

The more i read about the tour, the more wound up i get! Absolutely no doubt that the added prize/s are 100% fantastic, but there are some more important issues going on in the cardroom world that will completely screw players and some have been touched on lightly in a different thread. i.e. no cap on fees that can be charged to tournament players BY THE HOUR (not just the once) For example £20 freezeout can now cost you £20 + £2 and on top of that it could cost you £5 an hour per person that remains in the comp!! I originally thought it was a one off fee but have been told differently (and i was opposed to the one off fee for casino's). Have you got the outs to discuss this with "government and industry bodies" and what are your members views? This does not affect just amateurs either?

The example is slightly extreme but IS allowed, it "could" happen, it is already creeping in. Poker will be pushed further underground again if it does though.
Your thoughts apaT.....

[TightEnd]

I have already said that I have asked Des/tikay to update you all on the Association's progress.  Understandably though, with the announcement of our second event overdue and complications with the original venue we have been working flat out to ensure delivery on that immediate need for our members and forums have been concentrating on tour not association issues..

However, your association questions (dik9, ifm) will be answered soon I am sure

[tikay]

Sorry Red Dog, but I cant ignore it?

I am one of the frustrated ones, I have so far been told that this will be the association that I will inevitably, have to have their "endorsement" ,to hold a decent competition. I can't play and soooo want something like this to succeed for the industry, I would like to join, but all i see is the opportunity to play a very decent added value comp. This is all about the tour!! If it was purely an association, we would now be somewhere forward, even just a little bit as we would be debating different things. As it is, all that has been talked about is the Tour

" The Association
The Association aspires to represent the interests of all non professional players in the UK. The APAT will engage government and industry bodies to enhance the player experience; with standardisation of rules, player friendly structures and the provision of a clear communication channel for player feedback at the top of our agenda.

In addition, the APAT will seek to negotiate commercial sponsorship agreements to bring significant additional prize value to the game, for the benefit of our Members. "


The rules aren't even finished?

Click to see full-size image.

"Tables will be broken in a posted order / manner and available to all players, however; due to certain circumstances." ....................

due to certain circumstances what??

The more i read about the tour, the more wound up i get! Absolutely no doubt that the added prize/s are 100% fantastic, but there are some more important issues going on in the cardroom world that will completely screw players and some have been touched on lightly in a different thread. i.e. no cap on fees that can be charged to tournament players BY THE HOUR (not just the once) For example £20 freezeout can now cost you £20 + £2 and on top of that it could cost you £5 an hour per person that remains in the comp!! I originally thought it was a one off fee but have been told differently (and i was opposed to the one off fee for casino's). Have you got the outs to discuss this with "government and industry bodies" and what are your members views? This does not affect just amateurs either?

The example is slightly extreme but IS allowed, it "could" happen, it is already creeping in. Poker will be pushed further underground again if it does though.
Your thoughts apaT.....

I will address this, & ifm's similar question, tomorrow, time permitting.

Your question earlier today was noted, but it has been, understandably, a little busy this last 24 hours. Bear with us please.

[snoopy1239]

Guys, I'm afraid that's it for the night from me. I've been on the APAT case since around mid-morning Tuesday, that's 13 hours straight, and I'm very tired. I still have questions from ifm & Karabiner to deal with, & I promised to answer every question, but they will have to wait until tomorrow. (Wednesday). I have the patience of a Saint, but it's tough to deal with peeps telling us it's a joke when you have been on the case 13 hours straight.

It's a game of poker, for recreational players. That's all.

Goodnight all.

Please go to bed. 

[dik9]

No problems sir, I understand that i am being a pain, but i am pulling my hair out with frustration, but understand that you would like to get this event over first. Can we have a decent debate after Aspers event entries are sorted please?

[Rookie (Rodney)]

theres another potential problem.

what happens if rookie or someone else under 21 wins the event? is the wpt package transferable? will they be offered an alternative prize? or will they lose that prize to the highest placed ovr 21yo?

Not gonna happen here

[The Cowboy]

Good morning all              Tikay or Des...... Just a little thought which was touched on, but not answered.....  What happens to people like my sister(who played in event one) and my mother(who watched the whole two days of event one and who wants to join and play in event two) who dont even own a computer?  Is that just hard luck or can I purchase as many seats as I want and pass them on?    Thanks....  The Cowboy, Kidderminster...