Interesting hand from Amsterdam

[The Camel]

After dinner on Day 2 this hand came up...what would you do in my spot?

I have about 80,000 in chips. The average is probably 40-45,000. I'm sitting very comfortably and have good control of the table. Noone has mixed with me for quite a long time.

The blinds are 500-1000 with a running 100.

There are 4 limpers (all of whom are sitting with approx 50k in chips), I rap the table in the bb with .

The flop is . Giving me bottom pair and a flush draw.

I decide to check. All check round to the last limper, who is a Russian guy who has only recently joined the table. He bets 4,000.

What should I do?

[Newmanseye]

A checkraise to 12k would make for a good play here imho, but what read if any are you getting off the guy? Is he possibly making a position steal?

[tikay]

I don't wanna know, I'm out of position, I don't know Mr Redski., & I can find better situations to get involved for a serious amount of chips.

But that's why you've just picked up a 100k, & I never will!

[SupaMonkey]

It's unlikely that the other two will call because i would have expected a protective bet on that kind of board if they had hit it. I would call, if either of the other two get involved i would be looking to fold on the turn unless i hit two pair. When they both fold, I bet 11k on the turn if i miss, bet 6k on the turn if i hit my 2 pair to try and make him raise me so i can put a healthy value bet in on a non club river, and check call and value bet the river on a club turn, no club river.

[tikay]

It's unlikely that the other two will call because i would have expected a protective bet on that kind of board if they had hit it. I would call, if either of the other two get involved i would be looking to fold on the turn unless i hit two pair. When they both fold, I bet 11k on the turn if i miss, bet 6k on the turn if i hit my 2 pair to try and make him raise me so i can put a healthy value bet in on a non club river, and check call and value bet the river on a club turn, no club river.

..but this involves possibly, up to 25k of my stack! Surely we can find better spots for 25k, no?

[Newmanseye]

It's unlikely that the other two will call because i would have expected a protective bet on that kind of board if they had hit it. I would call, if either of the other two get involved i would be looking to fold on the turn unless i hit two pair. When they both fold, I bet 11k on the turn if i miss, bet 6k on the turn if i hit my 2 pair to try and make him raise me so i can put a healthy value bet in on a non club river, and check call and value bet the river on a club turn, no club river.

..but this involves possibly, up to 25k of my stack! Surely we can find better spots for 25k, no?

More to the point Tony, its 25K of the Ruski's stack, Keith cant go bust here, the russian fella can, 14 outs to improve, I'd say this is a spot for aggression. Plus the added advantage is the checkraise, unless he has a set the Russian fella is gotta be worried.

[tikay]

It's unlikely that the other two will call because i would have expected a protective bet on that kind of board if they had hit it. I would call, if either of the other two get involved i would be looking to fold on the turn unless i hit two pair. When they both fold, I bet 11k on the turn if i miss, bet 6k on the turn if i hit my 2 pair to try and make him raise me so i can put a healthy value bet in on a non club river, and check call and value bet the river on a club turn, no club river.

..but this involves possibly, up to 25k of my stack! Surely we can find better spots for 25k, no?

More to the point Tony, its 25K of the Ruski's stack, Keith cant go bust here, the russian fella can, 14 outs to improve, I'd say this is a spot for aggression. Plus the added advantage is the checkraise, unless he has a set the Russian fella is gotta be worried.

Supopsing the Rusky shoots Keith? They do, you know.

[Newmanseye]

It's unlikely that the other two will call because i would have expected a protective bet on that kind of board if they had hit it. I would call, if either of the other two get involved i would be looking to fold on the turn unless i hit two pair. When they both fold, I bet 11k on the turn if i miss, bet 6k on the turn if i hit my 2 pair to try and make him raise me so i can put a healthy value bet in on a non club river, and check call and value bet the river on a club turn, no club river.

..but this involves possibly, up to 25k of my stack! Surely we can find better spots for 25k, no?

More to the point Tony, its 25K of the Ruski's stack, Keith cant go bust here, the russian fella can, 14 outs to improve, I'd say this is a spot for aggression. Plus the added advantage is the checkraise, unless he has a set the Russian fella is gotta be worried.

Supopsing the Rusky shoots Keith? They do, you know.

I thought it was just you that shot people?   

Well In reality any pair is behind here ( mathmaticaly), I'm itching to get this bloke busted here.

[doubleup]

I would just call - he will likely check a better flush draw, other mediocre hand on turn.  If you miss you can bet the river, if you hit check raise or check call depending on what you hit.

[tikay]

I just do;'t wanna get involved in this spot, we are out of position, & have no info on Mr Redski. Pass.

[Newmanseye]

I just do;'t wanna get involved in this spot, we are out of position, & have no info on Mr Redski. Pass.

Thats the safe play here, in a lot of cases its best to retreat, but this is a great chance to send a message to the table and bust a player and add another 40 - 50 K to your stack.

I'm playing this hand and playing it agressive, then again I have never won the kind of money keith has so I am probably wrong. 

[Trix]

check raise all in. You've got outs

[The Camel]

Ok. This is what went down.

I check raised to 25k.

He went allin with .

I called. No clubs came and I rivered a ten for two pair and shot into the chip lead.

But the more I think about this hand the more I think I misplayed it.

My feelings at the time were I was prepared to put all my chips in and the aggressive reraise was basically saying "I'm going nowhere here. If you call you have to put all your chips in." Basically I was making a play to win the pot there and then but willing to shove all more chips in if there's more action.

The problem is it's very unlikely the guy will be making this bet with a draw. Against so many limpers he should have a real hand here (a set, or top two minimum). Opening the betting up with QT or a flush draw is a really bad play as he could easily be shut out of the pot by a big reraise. I even think making a bet with AJ might be a mistake. Hmmmm. Maybe not, but he has no real read on the table yet as he's only been here for a few minutes.

As it happens I think his bet and reraise (when I am dutibound to call) are worse plays than mine. But, the likelihood of him having a real hand means I should just go into check/call mode.

[tikay]

Ok. This is what went down.

I check raised to 25k.

He went allin with .

I called. No clubs came and I rivered a ten for two pair and shot into the chip lead.

But the more I think about this hand the more I think I misplayed it.

My feelings at the time were I was prepared to put all my chips in and the aggressive reraise was basically saying "I'm going nowhere here. If you call you have to put all your chips in." Basically I was making a play to win the pot there and then but willing to shove all more chips in if there's more action.

The problem is it's very unlikely the guy will be making this bet with a draw. Against so many limpers he should have a real hand here (a set, or top two minimum). Opening the betting up with QT or a flush draw is a really bad play as he could easily be shut out of the pot by a big reraise. I even think making a bet with AJ might be a mistake. Hmmmm. Maybe not, but he has no real read on the table yet as he's only been here for a few minutes.

As it happens I think his bet and reraise (when I am dutibound to call) are worse plays than mine. But, the likelihood of him having a real hand means I should just go into check/call mode.

Thanks Keith. More of these, please!

[Newmanseye]

You are still 2% ahead on the flop here Keith, I would say the mistake is his, how can he push when you check raise from early position with nothing more than the flush draw, he cant believe his ace or 5 is of any real value once you checkraise.

I say you played it right, you gave the guy a chance to get away from his hand and he still pushed.