Donkey Omaha hi/lo play !! Please Confirm

[Muahahahaha]

This is why I joined this forum. To be verballed mercilessly for my 'lively' play.

I play an occasional $5 sng Horse game over on Fulltilt.  I'm rubbish, but it's fun, & if I ever survive the first round, I often go on to cash.  However I more often crash & burn early doors by chasing hands.  The long term aim, though, is to turn a small profit on these alternative games

So a quick general question.  With a starting stack of 1500, how far should you go chasing cards using pot odds / implied odds in a limit game like this ?

Now on to the hand.  I wouldn't have played it if I wasn't in the BB ( a bad start to a story, I know ) but the question is : Even though I had the nuts ( at one point ), because it's such an obvious loser to many cards on the river, should I just have slow played, & called.  I tried pushing on the turn to get rid of one of the players & make it heads up ( I have no idea why, that just always seems a reasonable objective).

All comments ( kind or otherwise ) will be taken on board, analysed, processed, thought about, & placed carefully in the brain for future reference.  Then probably ignored in he heat of the moment next time it happens.

Thank you.

Seat 1: Cardsharps_net (2,050)
Seat 2: JackDorf (1,070) Already frittered 1/3 of my stack chasing cards during the limit holdem round
Seat 3: Pal73 (1,395)
Seat 4: FlipinIrish (1,310)
Seat 5: dawnnie (1,575)
Seat 6: rocket_101 (1,085)
Seat 7: smokie_79 (2,115)
Seat 8: BeePersistant (1,400)
Cardsharps_net posts the small blind of 20
JackDorf posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #8
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JackDorf 
Pal73 raises to 80
FlipinIrish folds
dawnnie folds
rocket_101 calls 80
smokie_79 folds
BeePersistant folds
Cardsharps_net folds
JackDorf calls 40  To be honest, I've been the 'liveliest' player so far- not raising a lot, but calling far too much
*** FLOP *** 
JackDorf checks
Pal73 bets 40
rocket_101 calls 40
JackDorf calls 40 Not much going on, but with the up & down I thought it was worth it
*** TURN *** 
JackDorf bets 80 Now I've got the nuts I want to bet it while the goings good.  If it had been PL or NL I'd have stuck in a big bet straight away, but coz you can't pressure people like that in this situation, hindsight is suggesting just calling would be better - opinions please.
Pal73 raises to 160
rocket_101 raises to 240
JackDorf raises to 320
Pal73 calls 160
rocket_101 calls 80
*** RIVER *** 
JackDorf checks Oh poo - I've lost
Pal73 bets 80
rocket_101 calls 80
JackDorf calls 80  Sod it, for 80, there's always that tiny chance so I'll stick it in anyway
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Pal73 shows [ ] (a flush, King high)
rocket_101 mucks
JackDorf shows [ ] (a straight, Queen high)
Pal73 wins the pot (1,580) with a flush, King high
No low hand qualified
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,580 | Rake 0
Board: [ ]
Seat 1: Cardsharps_net (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: JackDorf (big blind) showed [ ] and lost with HI: a straight, Queen high
Seat 3: Pal73 showed [ ] and won (1,580) with HI: a flush, King high
Seat 4: FlipinIrish didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: dawnnie didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: rocket_101 mucked [ ] - HI: three of a kind, Queens
Seat 7: smokie_79 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: BeePersistant (button) didn't bet (folded)
 
Bring it on * stands back waiting for the laughter to die down *

[boldie]

Well, it seems that you already know what your main problem is. you chase too much. your hand belongs in the muck pre flop..it is a truly awfull hand as you only have a massive outside shot at the high..and you have no chance of the low.

fold it pre-flop next time.

Horse is all about patience..you should have plenty of time to wait untill you find the right hand.

When the flop comes down and someone else bets it..you have the up/down. why not reraise it there?

On the turn you have the straight..but there's now a FD out there and in omaha it's a pretty safe bet someone will get lucky and have that when it comes down on the river. Reraise here is still the best thing to do though..if the flush down't come down you should scoop. (if the board doesn't pair) so you played that well.

Yeah the flush comes down and you're beat BUT for 80 you can't pass it up IMO.

The good thing about this hand for you was that you know the others in this hand are truly aswfull players at omaha....if this has been NL or PL omaha you would have got them out...that's the problem with any limit game it's a skill to just let hands go (Lord knows I can't do it..PL and NL are much easier for me, and I suspect most other players)

Just my thoughts of course..but you already know what your main problem is so I suggest you try playing like a rock for 1 tourney and see how that works out for you. Only play high cards (AQ+) and sooted connectors (in limit holdem especially they are the poodles peanuts IMO)

[Muahahahaha]

Horse is all about patience..you should have plenty of time to wait until you find the right hand.

Can you engrave that in braille on my posterior, so every time I sit down it comes to mind.

Just played another game, managed to survive the first round, then with bigger antes and bets, it does seem possible  to shift a few people of the drawing hands.  Does that make sense ?  Or is that still bad thinking in a limit game?

 

[JungleCat03]

Preflop, well i would usually fold. Against bad players, you could probably call as you're in the big blind and it's a single raise, but you'll be looking for a nice flop fit to continue putting anymore money in the hand.

Flop. Calling's fine. I wouldn't raise. This is a weak draw in om/8 plus you're out of position so it's harder to raise to buy a free card.

Turn. You've hit the nuts with the key card, the Q. You have to raise here, there's no merit in slowplaying this. Not charging random lows and flushes and sets is poor. The turn getting capped 3 ways is a great result!

You were worried about being up against a lot of cards to beat you and in this case there were quite a few....any spade, any pairing of the board, any 9 and an A to split. Nonetheless you've got about 51% equity in the pot(against their hands). Not great with the nuts but in a 3 way pot every bet u put in on the turn that both players call, you get a bet and a half back.

So keep raising.

Obviously you don't know their hands and there are other combinations of hands you could be up against that have you in worse shape than this.

(someone might have the str8 + flush draw, str8 + low draw, set + fd + low draw combo) Overall though you'll often be 50% or above here so raising is fine.

River. Ug. Low spade comes in. You're obliged to call this for pot odds really so pay up and throw up. You'll have half the pot often enough to make this profitable but most of the time it will be 80 chips down the swanny.

You did very little wrong. Can't lambast ya.

Welcome to blonde!

[Stone]

Hey no laughter from me, I have made many worse plays in OH/L. I agree with Boldie its patience and starting hands that count IMO for Horse. There are is some great reading in Super System II for many of the games, it seems to me that starting hand requirements are the primary lessons, the for the flop games position.

Regarding O-H/L I was playing recently in the US, I reckoned with a bit of on-line experience I would give the live 3/6 game a go. Well I found it an up and down game with more downs than up. Here was my learing:

• Playing the Nut low is not enough, you often need another "Emergency Low card" - even a 7
• In a loose game position is key "does your hand stand up to a raise and re-raise?"
• Information is crucial, see if people are chasing Hi's or always playing nut lows draws for a raise
• Mix up your betting don't become too predictable

Good luck, my feeling is that the horse games really broaden you poker vocabulary and provides a new dimension in the Hold-Um dominated world.