Set over set

[ThinkerJE]

£200 freeze out at Walsall Midland Masters.

Level 1, hand 3, blinds 25-50, chips 4,950.

Raise from matey in middle position to 200.  I'm in SB and call additional 175 with pocket 5, BB folds.

Flop 3 5 8 (2 hearts).  I check my middle set and raiser bets 500.  I also played with him in the super sat earlier that day and know he is tight early on playing big pairs and AK only.  I put him on one of those hands, and I am sure I am ahead.  But I don't want him to draw to the heart flush cheaply if he has AK of hearts.  So i raise to 2,200 total.  He thinks for about 5 seconds and pushes all in.  I think he must have aces and call, he turns over pocket 8 for a bigger set.  I'm gutted but spike miracle one outer case 5 on river to double up.  I then capitalise on this outrageous luck to final table and make my biggest cash ever.

Question is, I cannot lay down middle set, can I?

[Highstack]

Set over set is horrible.

I got shafted by this in the main event in Singapore last week. He reraised pre-flop and I was sure that it was AA or KK. Flop was QT7 and I held 77. I walked straight into TT for a monster pot and I felt sick.

Its a horrible, horrible situation, that you simply can not get away from easily unless the board looks scary. So often players go broke here and it is rarer than you might think, hopefully next time you (and I) will be on the right end of the higher set.

[boldie]

Set over set is horrible.

I got shafted by this in the main event in Singapore last week. He reraised pre-flop and I was sure that it was AA or KK. Flop was QT7 and I held 77. I walked straight into TT for a monster pot and I felt sick.

Its a horrible, horrible situation, that you simply can not get away from easily unless the board looks scary. So often players go broke here and it is rarer than you might think, hopefully next time you (and I) will be on the right end of the higher set.

yeah I agree. I can't see how you can lay a set down unless the flop is truly scary.

[Woodsey]

£200 freeze out at Walsall Midland Masters.

Level 1, hand 3, blinds 25-50, chips 4,950.

Raise from matey in middle position to 200.  I'm in SB and call additional 175 with pocket 5, BB folds.

Flop 3 5 8 (2 hearts).  I check my middle set and raiser bets 500.  I also played with him in the super sat earlier that day and know he is tight early on playing big pairs and AK only.  I put him on one of those hands, and I am sure I am ahead.  But I don't want him to draw to the heart flush cheaply if he has AK of hearts.  So i raise to 2,200 total.  He thinks for about 5 seconds and pushes all in.  I think he must have aces and call, he turns over pocket 8 for a bigger set.  I'm gutted but spike miracle one outer case 5 on river to double up.  I then capitalise on this outrageous luck to final table and make my biggest cash ever.

Question is, I cannot lay down middle set, can I?

No you can't fold. Your just going to have to accept you will be busted. If you can't get your money in with a set when there are no straights/flushes out there then you probably aren't playing aggressively enough to win the tourney.

[kinboshi]

Certainly wouldn't be folding there.

It would take one hell of a read, and unless you were absolutely 100% certain they had a bigger set, you'd be laying down the better hand a lot of the time.

Nice 5 though!!