Seinfeld actor racist outburst

[ariston]

ive now read the whole thread and if i watch the clip and say yes i think its funny then it makes me a racist in many people eyes on this. I would rather keep my oppinions to myself on this ty. The same people thought borat was offensive and I commented on that thread.

[MPOWER]

Not watched the clip and I will admit I only read the first page of this thread as it seemed like people may be getting to involved. For me anything goes with a stand up comedian. Any of you who have ever watched Chubby Brown and his like will know that if you heckle you may get burned, even if its racist and totally UN PC you got to accept it.

I believe Ariston does have a point here.

If you want to heckle the comedian your gonna get slaughtered.

I think if he were a Racist person he'd have been found out years ago.

Regards

M

[ariston]

careful mpower- you are in danger of becoming racist by proxy

[tantrum]

watch the clip and then make a decision.  It has nothing to do with Borat, nor anything like that.

Don't voice opinions if you have not seen this clip. His rant goes beyond funny, it is a racist slant and no excuses are aplicable for those offences.  

Yes, if you will find krammer funny in this particular instance then perhaps you should re-think your values.

This thread passed the question if the Krammer was racist.  Every one who saw it will agree with that, regardless of other points that were made here.  Our debate is not if Krammer is racist, it is more about the linguistic discourse and the usage of language while describing others.   So watch the clip and then decide what you think about it.  

[ariston]

stand up comedians can be offensive. some comedians make a living by being offensive. anyone who is stupid enough to heckle on eof these cannot moan when they get fried. I have seen the clip now and will not put my oppinions on here as most people will make incorrect assumptions. I find southpark funny and borat and the more un pc they are the better- doesnt make me a racist though.

[tantrum]

watch the clip, and then discuss

[ariston]

watch the clip, and then discuss

put your guardian down for a minute and read my above post properly. Ive seent the clip and wont discuss as you will immediately assume im a racist by proxy. I have seen far worse in my time and don't understand how everybody can get so worked up over these things. Watch Eddie Murphy live or Richard Prior to see the same racism aimed at white people. Listen to Lauren Hills records and interviews to find that racism works both ways.

[Rod Paradise]

I have seen far worse in my time and don't understand how everybody can get so worked up over these things. Watch Eddie Murphy live or Richard Prior to see the same racism aimed at white people. Listen to Lauren Hills records and interviews to find that racism works both ways.

That's not comedy, or even a heckler put-down though. The guy loses the plot totally and unleashes a shocking tirade of racist abuse.

I've seen Eddie Murphy and Richard Prior and they are non-PC, but it's humour and they aren't just abusing a member of the audience.

2 Totally different things IMHO.

[ariston]

i could find you 30 or 40 cases of other comedians ranting at members of the audience. Eddie murphy has done far worse when a white guy turned up to one of his gigs- he almost had the geezer thrown out as if to say how dare he come to my show (it was very early eddie I had on bootleg and I will admit i found it funny). 20 years later I realise there are more important things in life than getting worked up over things like this. I am shocked this thread has gone on so far without religion being brought in- thats usually the way these types of arguments progress. A black guy heckeled and got the comedian to react, its hardly the first time its happened.

[tantrum]

Ariston I am sorry you don't differentiate between racial abuse and banter.  I rest my case here.

[MPOWER]

Tantrum I am sorry you don't differentiate between racial abuse and banter.  I rest my case here.

Regards

M

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M

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[ifm]

I find it funny in that it was funny to see him lose it completely, coupled with the fact he has effectively destroyed what was left of his career it does amuse me.
As for calling people black, then why not? if they are then it's correct isn't it?

I was in the pub the other day and a few of the local boxers were meeting up before they went on a little pub tour to sign autographs, have piccies taken etc. to promote an upcoming show.
3 or 4 had arrived and a pal of mine (white guy) says to me "is that big black f***** in the poster coming in too?", i looked up and said "you mean him?" indicating behind him where the fella he meant had just come in.
We ALL peed ourselves at my pals reaction (he nearly fainted ) and i mean everyone, black and white, nobody was offended at all.

[The Baron]

I have seen far worse in my time and don't understand how everybody can get so worked up over these things. Watch Eddie Murphy live or Richard Prior to see the same racism aimed at white people. Listen to Lauren Hills records and interviews to find that racism works both ways.

That's not comedy, or even a heckler put-down though. The guy loses the plot totally and unleashes a shocking tirade of racist abuse.

I've seen Eddie Murphy and Richard Prior and they are non-PC, but it's humour and they aren't just abusing a member of the audience.

2 Totally different things IMHO.

I have loads of Murphy, Prior, Rock, Cosby etc etc, maybe even all of it - never seen abuse like that towards a white person.

[BrumBilly]

The 'Kramer' guy came out on Letterman and apologised about what he'd said. Not for causing offense (which may happen unintentionally) but for the dumb tirade and an 'unleashing of anger'. Sounds like he's admitting to having let his racist views slip out, so by definition I wouldn't defend him. Like I said, he hasn't tried to defend himself as it wasn't a 'joke gone wrong'.

I do however think that comedians should be able to joke about anything. Had they taken offense at his routine, I'd have said they have the option to heckle or leave and wait for the next act - SIMPLE.

The guys in the audience had apparently walked in late among a large group and this pissed 'Kramer' off so he started into them. They then said he wasn't funny and it all degenerated from his overuse of the N word.

Some people in the crowd obviously thought it was funny though it sounded like 'nervous' laughter while many just upped and left. I think the point is that 'kramer' never seemed to be making any attempt at comedy - he just lost the plot and let rip.

For me it's all about intent, or more accurately, what I perceive their intent to be where 'loaded' words and phrases are concerned.

Language isn't 'racist', people are so you can have the same word being used by racist and non-racist alike. The meanings attached to words are not fixed but change over time and place so this is another complicating factor.

My dad and his friends, for example, would react to Chris Rock's use of the 'N' word in a totally different way than people of my age, whatever their ethnicity.

For the record, I think the two guys who got into the 'verbals' with 'Kramer' didn't do themselves any favours. They were pissed that he'd used the N word and then went on to racially abuse him which shows them to be pretty lame IMO. You can't claim the moral high ground and take someone to court if you're coming from the same place.