Grosvenor Walsall

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Now I know some of you had a whinge about missing levels and over exuberant behavior during the preliminary events at the Midlands Masters, well all I can say is, you should be ashamed of yourselves!

The Main event was one of the best run competitions I have played this year. The double chance, 2 x 650 format, one hour clock and the addition of a 150/300 level meant that everyone had the chance to play some real poker. The whole thing ran like clockwork. We started (almost) on time, the breaks were well managed, short tables were equalised or broken quickly, rulings were dispensed without fuss, and there were no raised voices or arguments. It was a first class event event played in great spirit.

Everyone at Walsall worked tremendously hard all this this week, and they pulled out all the stops to give us a fantastic finale. Well done guys, I thank you!!


I bet you moaners are sorry you ever doubted them now. Oh ye of little faith!!

[matt674]

I dont understand the problem - for a low buy in festival event there are slightly shorter clocks, slightly less starting chips and sometimes an slight alteration to the blind structure.

Is that not how festivals are normally run - then you feel as though you are getting more value for money for the bigger buy in events?

[RED-DOG]

I dont understand the problem - for a low buy in festival event there are slightly shorter clocks, slightly less starting chips and sometimes an slight alteration to the blind structure.

Is that not how festivals are normally run - then you feel as though you are getting more value for money for the bigger buy in events?

And the reason we shouldn't get the same value for money in all two day festival events is.....?

[matt674]

Because if every tournament at the festival event during the week was the same starting chips on the same clock with the same blind structure people would then complain saying "So why are we paying an extra £800 for the main event from the £200 f/out on tuesday".

[The Camel]

I dont understand the problem - for a low buy in festival event there are slightly shorter clocks, slightly less starting chips and sometimes an slight alteration to the blind structure.

Is that not how festivals are normally run - then you feel as though you are getting more value for money for the bigger buy in events?

And the reason we shouldn't get the same value for money in all two day festival events is.....?

I think at maximum the last 2 tables should come back for a minor event, preferably just the final table. The majority of players work for a living and will have to take an afternoons holiday to come back for day 2 of an event. I remember a £200 or 300 tournie at Luton where about 50 came back for day 2. They had to speed up the clock rapidly in the final because they needed the table for that evenings comp. Surely it would have been better to play on a 30 minute clock on day 1 and have 10 coming back and then play the final on a 60 minute clock?

However, I must agree the main event was an excellent event. Well run and good fun. Congrats to Lucy for winning.

[RED-DOG]

Because if every tournament at the festival event during the week was the same starting chips on the same clock with the same blind structure people would then complain saying "So why are we paying an extra £800 for the main event from the £200 f/out on tuesday".

Why should they? they are paying the extra for a bigger prize pool. surely they don't begrudge players who can't afford the main event getting a good structure.

[matt674]

So if you were to ever hold a festival you would have all the events on the same starting stack/clock/structure regardless of the buy in amount?

Whilst i agree there should be more deepstack tournaments for low buy ins surely you cant have an entire festival run on the same structure? Like Camel says sometimes it just isnt plausible. In Europe they always run they multi-day festivals during the day, starting nice and early (12pm or 2pm) allowing the possibility for plenty of play on a long clock - over here in England the normal festival event kicks off at 8pm with a main event usually kicking off at 6pm.

Maybe if all festival events over here kicked off at an earlier time then you could run them on a long clock with more levels and more chips to start and not have half the field returning on the second day.

[RED-DOG]

Actually I do have some sympathy with both your and Keith's views here.

Perhaps we can't expect the cheaper buy-in events to mirror the main event.

I think a 45 minute clock and less starting chips according to the entry fee is ok, but I do feel the 150/300 level is a must.

[M3boy]

I bet you moaners are sorry you ever doubted them now. Oh ye of little faith!!

Tongue in cheek?

Or Pot Kettle Black?

I have pm'd Dan re my observations about the earlier comps - and what I saw wrong with them. And just for the record, it had nothing to do with the structure. The structure was advertised and I changed my game to suit the advertised structure. My main critisism was practicaly what Camel said, the problem came from 20 going back for day 2. This in itself wouldnt of been a problem had 2 people not agreed to the saver for 19th and 20th.
The game dragged with 5 or 6 real short stacks waiting for each other to get nocked out. It was even worse when hand for hand, the levels turned into the equivalent of 20 min levels!

I have made my suggestions to Dan in a PM as I have already mentioned. An idea I had was to stop the clock while playing hand for hand - or something similar.

I firmly believe that had that saver been agreed, the final table would have started about the same time (if not before) as we were down to 18.

As long as a structure is advertised, and doesnt change mid comp, then you have the necessary time to change your strategy to cope - or not play at all.

[matt674]

start all the tournaments at 7pm instead of 8pm and you have enough time to add a level

Having never played a festival in Europe, i know that the main event is usually started in the afternoon but do the smaller events also kick off in the afternoon or do they kick off in the evening?

[M3boy]

Good point Matt - another suggestion that was in my PM.

Most UK fessie comps (except the main event) start at 8.30. In my opinion this could easily be moved to 7pm (or even 6.30) thus ensuring just the people in the money coming back for day 2

[rudders]

I thought this thread was a well done to the grovesnor, walsall- not a rehash of a previous arguement- nice to see a "well done" rather than the usual moans. sounded like a great tourny- with with usual great updates too.

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Having never played a festival in Europe

I rest my case

[TightEnd]

Good point Matt - another suggestion that was in my PM.

Most UK fessie comps (except the main event) start at 8.30. In my opinion this could easily be moved to 7pm (or even 6.30) thus ensuring just the people in the money coming back for day 2

that is an excellent idea

If you play a week on the circuit you can spend a lot of time hanging around waiting to play. If you work I am sure an early-ish start would be mamnageable

I assume the complication in this is dealers rota/hours/numbers of dealers available

[M3boy]

I thought this thread was a well done to the grovesnor, walsall- not a rehash of a previous arguement- nice to see a "well done" rather than the usual moans. sounded like a great tourny- with with usual great updates too.

Well if Toms post just said "Well done Walsall on an excelent run Main event"

Then yes it would, but as "other" things were said in the origional post - you HAVE to expect replies as such. I wouldnt call it a rehash of old arguments, just answering point of a previous post.