Infinity Theory and Shakespeare

[thetank]

 

[tantrum]

there is no need to put the wall in the middle.  I have  a problem with the middle.  Where is the middle of the infinity?
 

I suppose if the room is infinite then the wall can be anywhere really but then we can create the space of finite within infinite....

anyone got some neurofen?

[boldie]

there is no need to put the wall in the middle.  I have  a problem with the middle.  Where is the middle of the infinity?
 

I suppose if the room is infinite then the wall can be anywhere really but then we can create the space of finite within infinite....

anyone got some neurofen?

I just used mine...I'm sure Matt has some...all good Senior supervising monkeys do.

[matt674]

I just used mine...I'm sure Matt has some...all good Senior supervising monkeys do.

wow, i've gone from trainee typing applicant to senior supervising monkey in less than one day - i like this company!!

p.s. what's the companies name?

p.p.s. we dont do pills in my part of the jungle sorry (though i'm beginning to regret that! )

[Jon MW]

And how does the company make any money to pay for all the monkeys and equipment?

[boldie]

And how does the company make any money to pay for all the monkeys and equipment?

We got Rob Yong to sponsor us he thought it was the best idea he'd ever heard of...well since the guy asking him to pay for doing up his house obviously.

[matt674]

And how does the company make any money to pay for all the monkeys and equipment?

by selling whatever doesnt appear to be a Shakespeare sonnet to either Mills and Boon or Jackie Collins

[BrumBilly]

Suggestions for company name:

SimeonSonn'u'ts

'ApetheBard'
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[Wardonkey]

I think it possible to solve this mathematically and although I'm not a mathematicatian I'm going to give it a go. Someone smarter than me can correct my errors if they are so inclined.

To simplify matters we provide our theoretical monkey with an adapted keyboard with just the letter keys a key for space and a return key (28 characters). We will for give the monkey a lack of punctuation.

A sonnet has 14 lines, if we assume that each line averages 40 characters including the spaces and the need to hit return at the end of each line then the average sonnet consists of 560 characters (14x40).

To successfully complete a sonnet the monkey must randomly complete a 560 character sequence where the chance of hitting each correct character is 1/28. The probabilty of this happening is 560 to the power of 28, you can then divide that number by 154 which is the number of sonnets written by shakespere.

If my maths is correct you get something close to this being the chance that a monkey complete a sonnet.

5,800,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000/1

If the average amount of time for the monkey to complete a 560 character sequence is 10 minutes then you can add another zero to the number above to give you an average number of minutes that it would take to complete a sonnet.

Do I get a gold star or a red cross?

[ariston]

ok divide infinity (the number of monkeys) by that number and you get zero- ie they would complete it instantly. Thats why infinity doesn't exist in my eyes.

[tantrum]

90 posts later....

Wardonkey
you are spot on
I think you don't need to divide by 154 as we are calculating only one sonet of the 560 character sequence so 28^560 possibillites only.

By Dividing by 154 wouldn't we  have to assume that each sonnet has 560 characters?




so 560 *10 minutes/6 per hour/144 per day/52560 a year.  so it would take a monkey 28^560/52560 years to type out the sonnet.

Ariston, we are talking about 1 monkey completing the sonnet.

As to infinity   - if you have only a finite number of outcomes and you can take inifinite numbers of trials  you will get what you asked for.

Also the infinity number does not exist as a real number, so you have a point there.

[Wardonkey]

By Dividing by 154 wouldn't we  have to assume that each sonnet has 560 characters?

I'm assuming that the average sonnet has 560 characters and that any Shakespere sonnet is acceptable rather than one in particular.

[tantrum]

Ok,
now i am confused,

why are we diving this number and not multiplying.

In my head I have 28( number of key combinations) ^560*154

(560*154) this particular sequence that will contain specific character order of 154 sonnets ?

[matt674]

Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove:
O no! it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wandering bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come:
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,
I never writ, nor no man ever loved.

Now did anyone time me

Blimey - i did it over 7 hours ago and your still sat here with calculators trying to figure it out?!?!?!?!?!?!

[langboy]

I just used mine...I'm sure Matt has some...all good Senior supervising monkeys do.

wow, i've gone from trainee typing applicant to senior supervising monkey in less than one day - i like this company!!

p.s. what's the companies name?

p.p.s. we dont do pills in my part of the jungle sorry (though i'm beginning to regret that! )

And the reason they don't do pills in the jungle is........

......wait for it.......









Cuz the parrots eat em all          Boom boom

Get it?

parrots eat em all.......Paracetamol?

I'll get my coat