Infinity Theory and Shakespeare

[matt674]

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[ariston]

Ariston, we are talking about 1 monkey completing the sonnet.

no we werent the thread started by saying an infinite number of monkeys. If you had just one monkey in a room on its own it would never complete the sonet because it would be too busy masturbating and digging in its own backside to see if it can find anything interesting.

[tantrum]

Ariston, we are talking about 1 monkey completing the sonnet.

no we werent the thread started by saying an infinite number of monkeys. If you had just one monkey in a room on its own it would never complete the sonet because it would be too busy masturbating and digging in its own backside to see if it can find anything interesting.

Read the original question properly, then be funny  

[Wardonkey]

By Dividing by 154 wouldn't we  have to assume that each sonnet has 560 characters?

If we assume that the average sonnet length is 560 then the probabilty of producing a particular sonnet is (560^28)/1. As the we would settle for any one of 154 sonnets to get the probability that any one of those 154 would be produced we need to divide 560^28 by 154. If you multiply you get a bigger number, indicating less chance, which cannot be correct.

[ariston]

if you had an infinite number of  monkeys (that really type at random)  sitting at an infinite number of typewriters for an infinite
number of years typing at random then it could be accepted as a probability that one would eventually type the entire works of Shakespeare.


As the entire work can be too much to calculate,

How long we would expect a monkey to type out 1 of the Shakespeare's sonnets? and how can I calculate this?

yeh i did- maybe all women are stupid too
if you had an infinite number of monkeys it says. As I dont accept infinity as a number you would have to be more precise with your parameters. How long we would expect a monkey? well not quite sure what you meant to say but if you meant how long would we expect it to take one monkey to type out a sonnet then I have said it would never happen and explained why above.

[ariston]

By Dividing by 154 wouldn't we  have to assume that each sonnet has 560 characters?

If we assume that the average sonnet length is 560 then the probabilty of producing a particular sonnet is (560^28)/1. As the we would settle for any one of 154 sonnets to get the probability that any one of those 154 would be produced we need to divide 560^28 by 154. If you multiply you get a bigger number, indicating less chance, which cannot be correct.

several of shakespears sonnets start with the same series of letters (a similar first word etc) so the above equation would be incorrect anyway.

[ariston]

also when you have worked out how many different combinations of characters you would then need to divide this by how how fast the monkey types to work out how long it would take (dont forget to allow picking backside/playing with self breaks).

[Wardonkey]

By Dividing by 154 wouldn't we  have to assume that each sonnet has 560 characters?

If we assume that the average sonnet length is 560 then the probabilty of producing a particular sonnet is (560^28)/1. As the we would settle for any one of 154 sonnets to get the probability that any one of those 154 would be produced we need to divide 560^28 by 154. If you multiply you get a bigger number, indicating less chance, which cannot be correct.

several of shakespears sonnets start with the same series of letters (a similar first word etc) so the above equation would be incorrect anyway.

I'm not claiming that my calculations are spot on. I've made several approximations.

I'm just trying to show that the question can actually be answered, rather than give a definitive answer. It is a theoretical question answered theoretically...

[thetank]

    Let me not to the marriage of true minds
    Admit impediments. Love is not love
    Which alters when it alteration finds,
    Or bends with the remover to rock on down, wibble wibble wibble wooo.

Dammit, so close....

[happybhoy]

Pah, who needs infinite monkeys, i could get the job done with 1 monkey, 1 typewriter and a box. Drop monkey and typewriter in box, close box and there you go. If you open the box and there's not a sonnet in there it's your own damn fault for not collapsing the waveform correctly.


Schrodinger - Physics's own Chewbacca Defence 

[thetank]

..or for not putting airholes in the box.

[kinboshi]

This thread could go on forever...

[tantrum]

How long we would expect a monkey to type out 1 of the Shakespeare's sonnets? and how can I calculate this?

now tell me ariston when in the question i
I say infinite monkeys?

To clarify for you again 'how long for a monkey - a meaning one - ' and 1 sonnet.

I am sure your focus on stupidity of women clouds your ability to see the logic behind a simple question.

several of shakespears sonnets start with the same series of letters (a similar first word etc) so the above equation would be incorrect anyway.

1 sonnet -1  sequence, each different sonnet is a sequence of characters, but if you take the whole 154 sonnets in order and look at it as one long sequence then the correct calculations can be made.  

[tantrum]

This thread could go on forever...

infinite thread?

[ifm]

Schrodinger - Physics's own Chewbacca Defence 

This is brilliant!!
The anser could be anything then because the question of whether the monkey had actually written the sonnet or not is unknown for the life expectancy of the monkey, you could assume it had written it at any point before death

Love it!!