interesting flop

[Newmanseye]

Ok we are all aggreed that we are raising, I popped it up to $12.


He almost times out and then he is all in.

what now?

BTW when I said we are ahead I did mean favourite to win the hand.

[matt674]

I don't like taking the free card on the turn in these situations, any decent player will read you for a drawing hand if you check the turn then bet the river if you've missed.

But in a tournament if i've missed i'm done with the hand anyway on the river - i'm not calling with at best 2nd pair no kicker to any size bet and i've saved myself chips to use later in the tournament.

If you bet the turn and miss on the river and your opponent checks do you still fire on the river or check it down?

[SupaMonkey]

Matt, I don't play cash either but i would be pounding the pot on the turn here unless he pots it on the turn. By pounding the turn i get many better hands to fold.

[boldie]

in tourney play I reraise aswell. in cash games however people tend to be more inclined to fold as they see the dosh going on the table.

I would reraise to take control of the pot and hopefully if i miss on the turn i can then take a free card on the river - but often i read that cash game strategy would be to get the money in the middle as quick as possible as you are favourite to win the hand, which i wouldnt do in a tourney.

I don't like taking the free card on the turn in these situations, any decent player will read you for a drawing hand if you check the turn then bet the river if you've missed.

yeah I'd agree. I keep betting in a cash game if the turn misses as otherwise every knows what you're upto.

[SupaMonkey]

Ok we are all aggreed that we are raising, I popped it up to $12.


He almost times out and then he is all in.

what now?

BTW when I said we are ahead I did mean favourite to win the hand.

You're getting slightly worse than 2-1 on the pot now. At worst you have 12 outs (45%) so i would call.

[boldie]

Ok we are all aggreed that we are raising, I popped it up to $12.


He almost times out and then he is all in.

what now?

BTW when I said we are ahead I did mean favourite to win the hand.

You're getting slightly worse than 2-1 on the pot now. At worst you have 12 outs (45%) so i would call.

yeah it's a fair call...can everyone feel the 50p dropping?

[SupaMonkey]

It might not be a bad beat.

[matt674]

Ok we are all aggreed that we are raising, I popped it up to $12.


He almost times out and then he is all in.

what now?

BTW when I said we are ahead I did mean favourite to win the hand.

You're getting slightly worse than 2-1 on the pot now. At worst you have 12 outs (45%) so i would call.

against   or   you are nearly a 2-1 dog (those being the worst case senarios). In a tournament depending on what stage the tourney was at then there would be a case for laying it down - but chances are i call.

[Newmanseye]

no bad beats here, I'm just after opinions

[boldie]

no bad beats here, I'm just after opinions

it's a good call Billy. the lay down would be fair enough aswell BTW but the call is the right play to make IMO.

[kinboshi]

Ok we are all aggreed that we are raising, I popped it up to $12.


He almost times out and then he is all in.

what now?

BTW when I said we are ahead I did mean favourite to win the hand.

You're getting slightly worse than 2-1 on the pot now. At worst you have 12 outs (45%) so i would call.

yeah it's a fair call...can everyone feel the 50p dropping?

I would call here in a cash game, no problem.  Not worried about getting my money in.  Going to be a marginal dog  worst case.  Would have raised it to more than $12 though on the flop though.

[SupaMonkey]

Oops, i forgot about the J-10, sorry. Ok, so you might only have 8 outs to win.

I wouldn't call here in a tourney but i think it is +EV to call here in a cash game.

[matt674]

Ok, so you might only have 8 outs to win.

And if you hit one of the 8 on the turn you have to pray one of the other 7 doesnt appear on the river!!

[matt674]

which is probably what happened knowing the sick and twisted mind that is "online poker"

[Newmanseye]

Much to my dismay he had Queens in the hole, So he played it well, Truth be told his almost time out then push move was a concern to me but at worst i am a slight dog.

I shiped it in and got no help, the best hand won.

Thanks for the input guys.