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« on: December 08, 2006, 12:32:28 PM »
I was playing a $100 sng earlier today, on tribeca,  when I noticed some odd plays between two players. In one hand, a player passes a 2200 pot for a 270 chip raise. Then, a few hands later, the same player passed a 4400 pot for 370 chip raise.

Is this a case of "chip passing" to give the 2 players and edge over the other four?

In any case, both players go out before the money, however, I did make a comment on the table after the 2nd hand.

Hands:

Single-Table Tournament
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
$100 - NL - 9 Seats 13930914-36 Holdem No Limit 100/200
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Hand Start.
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Seat 1 : ironmike1 has $4,435
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Seat 2 : slo roll has $3,560
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Seat 3 : Mstadutd has $2,450
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Seat 4 : DandyD has $1,990
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Seat 7 : wilpay has $1,270
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Seat 9 : ravne has $4,295
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : wilpay is the dealer.
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : ravne posted small blind.
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : ironmike1 posted big blind.
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Game [36] started with 6 players.
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Dec 8 11:11:30] : Seat 2 : slo roll has three clubs
[Dec 8 11:11:32] : slo roll folded.
[Dec 8 11:11:34] : Mstadutd folded.
[Dec 8 11:11:35] : DandyD folded.
[Dec 8 11:11:36] : Stakes: 100/200 Current level: 4 Next level in: 5 min. 
[Dec 8 11:11:39] : wilpay called 200
[Dec 8 11:11:42] : ravne called 100
[Dec 8 11:11:45] : ironmike1 checked.
[Dec 8 11:11:45] : Dealing flop.
[Dec 8 11:11:45] : Board cards [ ]
[Dec 8 11:11:52] : ravne bet 800
[Dec 8 11:11:55] : ironmike1 folded.
[Dec 8 11:11:56] : Stakes: 100/200 Current level: 4 Next level in: 5 min. 
[Dec 8 11:11:59] : wilpay called 800 and raised 270 and is All-in
[Dec 8 11:11:59] : Under-Raise rules are now in effect.
[Dec 8 11:12:01] : ravne folded.
[Dec 8 11:12:02] : wilpay wins 2,200 as the last player standing
[Dec 8 11:12:05] : Hand is over.
[Dec 8 11:12:05] : Stakes: 100/200 Current level: 4 Next level in: 5 min. 


Single-Table Tournament
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
$100 - NL - 9 Seats 13930914-41 Holdem No Limit 100/200
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Hand Start.
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Seat 1 : ironmike1 has $2,835
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Seat 2 : slo roll has $3,760
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Seat 3 : Mstadutd has $2,150
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Seat 4 : DandyD has $1,490
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Seat 7 : wilpay has $2,570
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Seat 9 : ravne has $5,195
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : DandyD is the dealer.
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : wilpay posted small blind.
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : ravne posted big blind.
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Game [41] started with 6 players.
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Dec 8 11:15:20] : Seat 2 : slo roll has
[Dec 8 11:15:25] : ironmike1 folded.
[Dec 8 11:15:25] : slo roll folded.
[Dec 8 11:15:27] : Mstadutd folded.
[Dec 8 11:15:27] : DandyD folded.
[Dec 8 11:15:31] : wilpay called 100
[Dec 8 11:15:34] : ravne checked.
[Dec 8 11:15:34] : Dealing flop.
[Dec 8 11:15:34] : Board cards [ Two Diamonds]
[Dec 8 11:15:36] : Stakes: 100/200 Current level: 4 Next level in: 1 min. 
[Dec 8 11:15:40] : wilpay bet 400
[Dec 8 11:15:52] : ravne called 400
[Dec 8 11:15:52] : Dealing turn.
[Dec 8 11:15:52] : Board cards [ Two Diamonds ]
[Dec 8 11:15:56] : Stakes: 100/200 Current level: 4 Next level in: 1 min. 
[Dec 8 11:16:03] : wilpay checked.
[Dec 8 11:16:09] : ravne bet 1,600
[Dec 8 11:16:16] : Stakes: 100/200 Current level: 4 Next level in: 1 min. 
[Dec 8 11:16:28] : wilpay called 1,600 and raised 370 and is All-in
[Dec 8 11:16:28] : Under-Raise rules are now in effect.
[Dec 8 11:16:35] : ravne folded.
[Dec 8 11:16:36] : wilpay wins 4,400 as the last player standing
[Dec 8 11:16:38] : Hand is over.
[Dec 8 11:16:38] : Stakes: 100/200 Current level: 5 Next level in: 8 min. 
[Dec 8 11:16:38] : Level up. New stakes : 150/300
[Dec 8 11:16:38] : Level up. New stakes : 150/300
[Dec 8 11:16:38] : Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Next level in: 8 min. 
[Dec 8 11:16:40] : Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Next level in: 8 min.
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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2006, 12:34:53 PM »
Same players both times, looks dodgy to me.
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2006, 12:36:13 PM »
did you send the hand histories and chat logs to support to investigate?


p.s Well done on your win in the £200 Omaha in Luton on Wednesday Justin! What a result! didn't know you were an Omaha player, I do now!!
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2006, 01:01:53 PM »
especially the second one looks really dodgy. I would pass it on to the poker site and see what they do.
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2006, 02:51:09 PM »
Sort it out, that s**t is bad.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2006, 02:53:10 PM »
Yes I did report it.

Tyvm Rich, what a result indeed!.

I Have played a bit online, even cashed in the FGR event last year, but it was the first time I played Omaha in a festival.

The event also coincided with my birthday! Which was one of the reasons that I was playing.
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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2006, 02:55:28 PM »
Quote from: ju5tin on December 08, 2006, 12:32:28 PM

In any case, both players go out before the money


Both of them, lololol, good!

Maybe they're just bad players, but twice in one tourney, they need looking at.
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2006, 03:07:39 PM »
Glad you reported it.

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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2006, 06:08:24 PM »
Quote from: TightEnd on December 08, 2006, 12:36:13 PM
p.s Well done on your win in the £200 Omaha in Luton on Wednesday Justin! What a result! didn't know you were an Omaha player, I do now!!

You would if you played the BSQ League Wink

wd slo!
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2006, 09:05:39 PM »
if this was a 5 or 10 SnG i would maybe put it down to lack of knowledge but at 100 either you have found a nice whale in ravane or there was a littl chip dumping going on
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