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« Reply #30 on: December 10, 2006, 11:27:20 PM »

why do you not want 2 callers? i'm happy with the 2 callers, there is a poss flush draw but the only hand i'm worried about is a set of or , With $80 in the pot im putting out a feeler bet of $35, to see if anyones hit anything. with a reraise im first thinking pocket 10s or jacks and i raise again, with a call im thinking a slow played set or flush draw if i have 2 callers now then i would be very cautious IMO

The way I play I prefer to have a better idea of where I stand. I don't like playing big pots against 2 players because you end up making too many guesses or assumptions. Just my personal preference, some people have no problem playing huge pots against multiple callers, but I'm not a fan.

bigger pre flop raise to isolate 1 player??
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« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2006, 12:37:53 AM »

why do you not want 2 callers? i'm happy with the 2 callers, there is a poss flush draw but the only hand i'm worried about is a set of or , With $80 in the pot im putting out a feeler bet of $35, to see if anyones hit anything. with a reraise im first thinking pocket 10s or jacks and i raise again, with a call im thinking a slow played set or flush draw if i have 2 callers now then i would be very cautious IMO

The way I play I prefer to have a better idea of where I stand. I don't like playing big pots against 2 players because you end up making too many guesses or assumptions. Just my personal preference, some people have no problem playing huge pots against multiple callers, but I'm not a fan.

bigger pre flop raise to isolate 1 player??

Yes, that was definitely an error (one of many, lol) and as I said on the previous page, I should have made it at least $30 to play.
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« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2006, 03:11:21 AM »

now on this flop, with possible set, flush draw and even for straight flush draw or an over pair. just less than 1/2 the pot looks good as a feeler bet. i think pocket knigs would have raised again pre flop, raise to $6 with queens seems to small ( i would look for an initail raise of $8-$10 with queens) so 10s or jacks looks about correct for no remorse poss ace king. which i cant see him continuing with. Pavel however. with no info he could hold anything. small pair suited connectors, poss  which he has already seen you win with, who knows.

with out getting too deep $35 on that flop should give you a bit of a feel if it has hit pavel but i wouldnt worry if remorse plays back at you.
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« Reply #33 on: December 11, 2006, 08:27:03 PM »

Well, this is what I did next...


(STEP 3)


***** Hand History for Game 5489792374 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, December 08, 01:42:39 ET 2006
Table Jackpot #1304230 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6

Seat 1: Pavel55 ( $256.55 )
Seat 3: snoopy1239 ( $530.15 )
Seat 4: A_Reza ( $116.82 )
Seat 6: No_remorse1 ( $712.45 )
Seat 2: JOSJOJO ( $83.20 )
Seat 5: neverfold678 ( $40.50 )
snoopy1239 posts small blind [$1].
A_Reza posts big blind [$2].

Dealt to snoopy1239 [ ]

neverfold678 folds.
No_remorse1 raises [$6]
Pavel55 calls [$6]
JOSJOJO folds

snoopy1239 raises to [$26]
Bongo raises to [?]
Longines raises to [$28]
byronkincaid raises to [$24]
johnmul99 raises to [$30]
jezza777 raises to [$18]
booder raises to [$26]
Suited_Jock raises to [$30]
tantrum raises to [$27]


A_Reza folds.
No_remorse1 calls [$20]
Pavel55 calls [$20]

** Dealing Flop ** [ , , ]

snoopy1239 checks.
byronkincaid bets [$68]
johnmul99 bets [$35]
TightEnd bets [$120]

No_remorse1 bets [$44]
Pavel55 folds.

snoopy1239...


Before I am ambushed with criticism, I admit that win or lose, hindsight informs me that I made some incorrect plays on this hand, and this check could well be one of them.  Either way, I can at least tell you why I decided to check.

With two callers I stand the chance of losing my whole stack if I run into a set, yet perhaps only winning a small pot if I am way ahead. From my experience, most players on my chosen site check a set when the pot is so huge, believing that on the Flop or Turn, someone will make a bet and commit themselves with a dominated hand that they will find difficult to fold, such as Aces.

If they do indeed have a smaller overpair such as Tens or Jacks then I fully expect them to bet around 3/4 of the pot, especially considering the scary flush draw and the fact that I have shown weakness on the Flop with a potential A-K.

IMO, offering a free card isn't too much of a problem. For me, many hands can be played more effectively on the Turn as people realise that they have only one more card to see. I also find it easier to decipher between hands on the Turn as the betting alters dramatically from what it would be on the Flop.

The bottom line is that if I reach the turn for free, I will have a better understanding of where I am whilst simultaenously keeping the pot small as possible if they have indeed hit a set. Of course, they could hit a flush, but I doubt they would have folded that on the flop anyhow with so much already in the middle.

Having said that however, if I check raise and am re-raised again, I still won't know if they have a flush draw, open ended straight draw, overpair or set, so I agree with those that suggest this is perhaps one hand that I can't get away from whatever I do. If I stick any money in, I honestly don't think I can fold to further action due to the amount of possible hands they could hold.

Perhaps this is why I checked, an attempt to keep the pot small.


Anyhow, that may all be bollox to you, but either way, what would your next action be after that bet?


ps. Thank you to every for your input. I feel I leanr a lot from hearing everyone's views. That's why I'm such a big fan of the hand analysis board.

cheers
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« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2006, 08:37:12 PM »

push
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« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2006, 08:38:33 PM »

push

all-in?
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« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2006, 09:38:35 PM »

raise him by $150

ask him the question


if he pushes then he can still have a set, 99-KK or spades so its a close your eyes and count to ten moment whilst you call him
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« Reply #37 on: December 11, 2006, 11:08:11 PM »

if you wanna keep the pot small then obv you can check/call all the way. personally I am thinking what can I beat here and what am I losing to. You're beating flush draws, straight draws and over pairs and losing to a set. I'm still looking to get the money in here but quite often I do check/call down with an over pair especially this deep.
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« Reply #38 on: December 11, 2006, 11:09:59 PM »

if u wana gamble then move in cuz u cannot put him on a hand so boviously its a big risk.

personally i wud call him down i no if he has a draw u are givin him cards bt wats to say he wont call u if u raise an he has got a draw





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« Reply #39 on: December 11, 2006, 11:32:48 PM »

raise to $200, see what he does. he calls, push on a non-scary turn, if he pushes, good luck to you and call.
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« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2006, 12:15:45 AM »

there was a similar hand on high stakes poker,doyle brunson had aces, and daniel negranu (pardon the spelling) had  flopped a set of 8's. Doyle couldnt wait to get his chips in. and negranu (i know spelling!!) called a won a monster pot. I think all in is the correct play reduce his pot odds if he is on a draw. and if he has the set, never mind, thats poker!!
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« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2006, 12:37:39 AM »

raise to $200, see what he does. he calls, push on a non-scary turn, if he pushes, good luck to you and call.

Assuming that I'm not going to fold, I don't understand why I'd want to bet out and give him the chance to fold a smaller overpair?
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« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2006, 12:39:02 AM »

there was a similar hand on high stakes poker,doyle brunson had aces, and daniel negranu (pardon the spelling) had  flopped a set of 8's. Doyle couldnt wait to get his chips in. and negranu (i know spelling!!) called a won a monster pot. I think all in is the correct play reduce his pot odds if he is on a draw. and if he has the set, never mind, thats poker!!

To be honest, I don't think I should worry about giving the draw their free card because they probably won't fold on the flop anyhow with that much in the middle.
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« Reply #43 on: December 12, 2006, 01:06:26 AM »

raise to $200, see what he does. he calls, push on a non-scary turn, if he pushes, good luck to you and call.

Assuming that I'm not going to fold, I don't understand why I'd want to bet out and give him the chance to fold a smaller overpair?

He might well re-raise with that. If think if you check call all the way all your doing is giving him chances to beat you. I want to get as much money in the pot as I can while I think I'm ahead.
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« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2006, 02:50:17 AM »

I like your check on the flop TBH..... I probably call here, and see a non spade turn and c/r him... If he checks behind, depending on the river i value bet/blocker bet and see what happens.
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