Play Along With Snoopy

[hotdog]

  this has to be some sick story so thas wat ime gona say cuz thats y  i thik u hav posted it on ere but if i was at the table i would def think that he had 10s thru to aces

[s3an]

I think he has pocket 5's

[Wardonkey]

I think you should play on a site with faster software.

It's week now and the river hasn't been dealt yet...

[doubleup]

he hasn't got the nut spade draw obviously

I think 10-10 thru QQ


possibly a set


One change to my suggested line would be on a spade river, where I might myself put in a blocking bet that looks like a value bet as if I was drawing to spades.

If he has the overpair he might pass, or he might value call with the losing hand

if he has the set he shouldn't raise you in case you've completed your draw and you get to showdown cheaper by the blocking bet

Agree

[snoopy1239]

he hasn't got the nut spade draw obviously

I think 10-10 thru QQ


possibly a set


One change to my suggested line would be on a spade river, where I might myself put in a blocking bet that looks like a value bet as if I was drawing to spades.

If he has the overpair he might pass, or he might value call with the losing hand

if he has the set he shouldn't raise you in case you've completed your draw and you get to showdown cheaper by the blocking bet

Agree

I don't see how anyone can be afraid of a flush draw after I re-raised to $26 preflop and then checked the Flop and Turn.

[Raindogs]

Raise. 

You only fear 8's or 6's and his preflop raise of 3BB is not what you would expect from 88 or 66 (would have expected a bigger raise in early position 6 handed).  I guess it depends how loose and how aggressive he is.  On any given flop a set is always possible, but given he didn't know there would be a third caller of your preflop re-raise I think he has to have a decent PP to call an extra $20.   He might have called with AKo or AQs but unless he is really loose I can't see him calling with any other unpaired cards.  That really only leaves 88 and you can't be afraid of that.  The benefit of raising is that you are getting paid for your A's.  If you check call again, unless the guy is a fool, he will check behind if you check the river (unless he has K's).  If he has a flush draw he may call and you make him pay for his draw.  If he puts you all in he probably has either K's or 8's.  The big disadvantage with re-raising to say $250 is you are now comitted to the pot if he pushes.  If he calls and a spade falls on the river what then ?  With the pot at $668 after your re-raise to $250, you have only got $210 left which makes it very difficult to fold on the river.

If you check/call again he has got to put you on AKs or JJ - AA based on your preflop re-raise.  Your check/call on the flop looks strange for AKs (I would expect a continuation bet here with 2 overs and a flush draw).  The other issue is what you do on the river if you check call the turn.  If he has a PP less then KK (possibly QQ) he is unlikely to bet the river so to get full value for your A's you have to bet out.  If a spade falls there is no way I am betting out.  What do you do then if he pushes ?  If you lead out when a spade falls I don't think you are representing a credible flush, having made a big re-raise preflop and then check/called flop and turn.

I think the key to this hand is how much you can narrow down his possible holdings.  If he is TAG then I think it reasonable to put him on a good PP or possibly a flush draw (although I would have expected him to take a free card on the turn).  Would he call a large re-raise with 8's ?  I think there are a lot more hands you can put him on that you are ahead of than behind.  If he is LAG you did not take the chance to find out how strong his hand was and now you don't know where you stand.  In this case I would continue check/calling and hope.

[doubleup]

he hasn't got the nut spade draw obviously

I think 10-10 thru QQ


possibly a set


One change to my suggested line would be on a spade river, where I might myself put in a blocking bet that looks like a value bet as if I was drawing to spades.

If he has the overpair he might pass, or he might value call with the losing hand

if he has the set he shouldn't raise you in case you've completed your draw and you get to showdown cheaper by the blocking bet

Agree

I don't see how anyone can be afraid of a flush draw after I re-raised to $26 preflop and then checked the Flop and Turn.

Why cant you have AQsuited/Aksuited?

[TightEnd]

why can't snoopy have Ace paint or bit of Spades and be trying to complete his nut flush as cheaply as possibly? from foe's point of view that is?

you might play the nut flush draw as check call on flop and turn? it would be passive, but it happens

you can certainly represent a flush if it arrives on the river, and it will serve as a blocking bet for you

This was my thinking

[Raindogs]

why can't snoopy have Ace paint or bit of Spades and be trying to complete his nut flush as cheaply as possibly? from foe's point of view that is?

you might play the nut flush draw as check call on flop and turn? it would be passive, but it happens

you can certainly represent a flush if it arrives on the river, and it will serve as a blocking bet for you

This was my thinking

Snoopy re-raised from the small blind and is going to be out of position for the rest of the hand.  I can't see AQs doing that from the SB when there has already been a raise from early position (and a call).  That leaves only AK, a big PP, or a bluff.  Unless Snoopy has been playing fast and loose, his opponent is going to have a hard job putting him on 2 spades other than AKs.  If he was bluffing with 2 spades why would he check the flop ?  If his opponent makes a pot sized bet what then ?

[TightEnd]

  Unless Snoopy has been playing fast and loose,

 

[tantrum]

On the flop I am re-raising noremorse 3x his bet 132-140.  If he pushes I might call anyway.  If he has a set, that;s poker, the chances are he has a big pair.  no way i am flat calling here.

BTW I just saw Doyle Brunson going broke on the similar flop with AA, he went broke as he run into set.  so maybe if noremorse would push I would consider folding but then one cannot always run into sets, and my As might catch another spade, so I am playing this flop hard.

[doubleup]

On the flop I am re-raising noremorse 3x his bet 132-140.  If he pushes I might call anyway.  If he has a set, that;s poker,

So your going to lose 250bbs with a pair.  How about 500bbs?  1000?  What is the max you are willing to lose?

[tantrum]

I might win this pot there and then, why do I have to lose it?

what flat calling here will give me? hope for a miracle?
I mean one has to decide what you are going to do, flat call - and then fold on the turn if noremorse bets a pot on the turn? so you might as well fold it on the flop.

Sometimes one has to take risks, if you don't re-raise on the flop, you have no idea where you stand, and there are chances  that noremorse will fold on the flop to my re-raise. if he pushes i have to give him a credit for a set- but this will all depends on my read of the opponent as he might as well has KK/QQ/JJ. 

[tantrum]

What is bad thinking?

deciding what you will do on the consecutive streets? or assuming that noremorse will bet the turn?

noremorse betting the turn is a guess as i have no idea what this player is likely to hold, but deciding what your actions will be on the consecutive streets surely can't be a bad thinking?

[doubleup]

What is bad thinking?

deciding what you will do on the consecutive streets? or assuming that noremorse will bet the turn?

noremorse betting the turn is a guess as i have no idea what this player is likely to hold, but deciding what your actions will be on the consecutive streets surely can't be a bad thinking?

The problem that we have here is that we have no reads on our opponent and the stacks are very deep.  Despite efforts to make the pot small it is gradually getting bigger and we are going to have to make a tricky river decision.  What does he bet with each of tt jj qq kk and what does he bet with a set?

Against some players check raising the flop would have merits, but only if it's your last action in the hand i.e if called or reraised you know that your beaten.  I don't think we have enough info to make that judgement.  

I'm pretty sure that the only lesson that will come from this hand is when your this deep and out of position without player info, the best way to play is re-raising very big pre-flop.