Pot Limit

[UpTheMariners]

i have a question on the rules...

if a person for example has 700 chips and the blinds are 200/400, can the person with 700 chips go all in or does he have to call then put the 300 in at a later stage?

the reason why i ask this, is because at my local casino you cannot go all in if your under raising the pot like in the above example. personally i think the casino is behind the times for a number of reasons.

[Suited_Jock]

yes you can go allin

The maximum amount a player can raise is the amount in the pot after the call is made.

600 in the pot pf with 400 BB = 400+400+600

The maximum POT raise from the first player to act is 1400...

[I, Zimbra]

I remember it this way: you can always raise at least to 3.5 times the Big Blind, preflop - or more if there's already action (e.g. limps) ahead of you. Don't know if that helps or not, that's just how I remember it.

[boldie]

yes you can go allin

The maximum amount a player can raise is the amount in the pot after the call is made.

600 in the pot pf with 400 BB = 400+400+600

The maximum POT raise from the first player to act is 1400...

yes you can go all -in...min raise is upto 1400 (total) 600 (SB+BB) + your 400 called (1k total in the pot)  (assuming your first to act) then you can stick in an extra 1k as the potsized raise.

[Suited_Jock]

yes you can go allin

The maximum amount a player can raise is the amount in the pot after the call is made.

600 in the pot pf with 400 BB = 400+400+600

The maximum POT raise from the first player to act is 1400...

yes you can go all -in...min raise is upto 1400 (total) 600 (SB+BB) + your 400 called (1k total in the pot)  (assuming your first to act) then you can stick in an extra 1k as the potsized raise.

Is there a reason why you quoted me then wrote exactly what i wrote in a different way???

[Sheriff Fatman]

I think you've all missed the point of his question - he's saying that the casino doesn't allow him to go all-in in this situation as he's effectively making an under-raise - which is complete and utter garbage.  What justification do they give for this nosensical rule?  How do they justify the fact that the 300 chips you are made to keep back will be an under-bet at whatever stage they go in?

You should be allowed to push here.  Your chips are then part of the total pot which determines how much the next players can raise (i.e with blinds of 200/400 and you go all-in first to act for 700 then a subsequent full pot bet will be 2000 total).

Which casino is this?

Sheriff

[Wardonkey]

They do this at some at some of the Napoleons Casinos. A long time ago it was a rule at Gala Leeds, I stopped it there. It's rubbish.

[boldie]

yes you can go allin

The maximum amount a player can raise is the amount in the pot after the call is made.

600 in the pot pf with 400 BB = 400+400+600

The maximum POT raise from the first player to act is 1400...

yes you can go all -in...min raise is upto 1400 (total) 600 (SB+BB) + your 400 called (1k total in the pot)  (assuming your first to act) then you can stick in an extra 1k as the potsized raise.

Is there a reason why you quoted me then wrote exactly what i wrote in a different way???

lol..no except that I was still asleep.

[Sheriff Fatman]

They do this at some at some of the Napoleons Casinos. A long time ago it was a rule at Gala Leeds, I stopped it there. It's rubbish.

Official warning for InTheBelly - stop hacking into Wardonkey's account!

[I, Zimbra]

Very surprising about the under-raise.

My slim grasp of the under-raise rule is that if someone has under-raised, players cannot reraise behind them if they have already acted in the hand... is that right? It doesn't say anything about what the shortstack who is making the under-raise can do.

In other words: if I limp UTG for 400 with A-A, and then the shortstack goes all-in for 700, and then another player also calls the 700, I cannot re-raise if the action gets back to me, I can only flat call the extra 300 and see a flop. Is that right?

[Snatiramas]

To the best of my knowledge yes

[UpTheMariners]

I think you've all missed the point of his question - he's saying that the casino doesn't allow him to go all-in in this situation as he's effectively making an under-raise - which is complete and utter garbage.  What justification do they give for this nosensical rule?  How do they justify the fact that the 300 chips you are made to keep back will be an under-bet at whatever stage they go in?

You should be allowed to push here.  Your chips are then part of the total pot which determines how much the next players can raise (i.e with blinds of 200/400 and you go all-in first to act for 700 then a subsequent full pot bet will be 2000 total).

Which casino is this?

Sheriff

their justification is 'its always been like that', i tell them everytime i go but they won't listen.

Napoloens Hull being the casino in question!

[dik9]

I think what the casino may be getting at here, is because it is pot limit, do they take that 300 point raise to be the minimum betting unit, as the min betting unit is 400, so does everyone call 300 or is the betting to everyone else 400 with a side pot built. I have worked at many places that take it this way. If it were the second round of betting and he bets 300 with the blinds at 200/400 does everyone have to call 300 or 400 there?

[ifm]

I think what the casino may be getting at here, is because it is pot limit, do they take that 300 point raise to be the minimum betting unit, as the min betting unit is 400, so does everyone call 300 or is the betting to everyone else 400 with a side pot built. I have worked at many places that take it this way. If it were the second round of betting and he bets 300 with the blinds at 200/400 does everyone have to call 300 or 400 there?

400 but not on tribecca!!!

[dik9]

So what do the others do if some one bets 100pts all-in when the blinds are 800/1600 does that not seem like an advantage as if first to speak and you bet 100 everyone has to call 1600? I personally think this is a little bit of a stroke in places that do this, I will let this thread continue a little bit and then explain what rules i prefer in this situation.