88% Concentration blogger aka Bluescouse finally busto.

[sovietsong]

I rate people with natural ability much higher than people who work hard to achieve, many probably disagree but i would much prefer to see Ronnie play with his flair and wild temperament than a player that is good, works hard and has full control.  The same goes for 88%, i rate him higher than a guy grinding 50nl 7 days a week for a small profit.

[Ironside]

what longy is trying to say

is that blue scouse plays so short at the table that he rides a luck wave to the top and then back to the bottom again

he doesnt show skill he shows varaince

sitting at the table with 90% of your roll and getting it all in with KT v AA  and winning doesnt take skill it varaince

untill scouse can learn BR management no one can judge his playing ability

one thing that can be judged is his balls

[sovietsong]

In that case this guy must be the luckiest in the world, to have no ability and make it to the limits he has.  I think he clearly has alot of abilty just the lack of dicipline poker obviously needs. 

[GlasgowBandit]

what longy is trying to say

is that blue scouse plays so short at the table that he rides a luck wave to the top and then back to the bottom again

he doesnt show skill he shows varaince

sitting at the table with 90% of your roll and getting it all in with KT v AA  and winning doesnt take skill it varaince

untill scouse can learn BR management no one can judge his playing ability

one thing that can be judged is his balls

Do you judge them by size? weight? diamter? or reproductive ability? 

[bobby1]

When saying someone is great poker player you judge their results on the poker table purely, I mean to judge them on their other weaknesses in life is bizarre to be honest unless it affects their ability to play poker. Money is the way of keeping score in poker and therefore the player who wins the most money can claim to be the best, admittedly this is has its exceptions like Jamie Gold winning a massive live donkament.

Stu Ungar was an amazing talent and had a rare ability for all card games including poker, his personal life did affect his performance at the tables and to say he was the greatest of all time I think is stretching it. He was the greatest gin rummy player who has ever lived no doubt about that. The greatest poker player ever has just died, Chip Reese. He won millons upon millons in the toughest games in the world.

Regarding bluescouse he definitely has some ability but he is playing off about 20bb's half the time therefore turning the game into a massive luck fest. Jamie Gold (esque) some might say.

how do you imagine running out of money affects their ability to play poker??

[Grier78]

Wow what a great discussion, how do you rate how good a poker player is? Total money won? Total Profit? Number of bracelets?

One thing I do know if you are playing high stakes cash and you keep going broke then you are not a good player. Good players find tables where they have an edge and grind out a profit across the long term.

[MANTIS01]

No I accept the physical traits a boxer requires but if said boxer had the mentality that he wants to avoid a dangerous opponent because of the risk he could be beaten then no matter how good the record books say he is he is never going to be a true fighting champion. As such a poker player that innately seeks to avoid risk is never going to be as proficient as a character who welcomes it.

So while well disciplined exponents reach the pinnacle of their talents their flawed counterparts are a match for them despite their lacking in this area. So Ronnie O'Sullivan stepping up to the table and potting balls left or right handed without fuss in major tournaments is natural talent. Steve Hendry needs a disciplined character to compete and to work on defensive play to counter it. If O'sullivan had such character he would be even better. When you play a game you should look to win....something the England football team find difficult to understand....they always look scared to loose. In poker, a game full of aggression and risk it is the aggressive and ballsy characters that suit the game the best because a safety first approach wont work. Ungar had problems for sure but he still has the best tournament record in history despite his flaws...so imagine what he could have achieved with discipline. Or would that discipline have actually adversely affected an almost perfect poker mentality?

Incidentally Botham was flawed because he abused drugs, alcohol, women and had a moustache.

[sovietsong]

I think it is v.v.rare to have both the natural talent and the hard working nature. 

[bobby1]

Incidentally Botham was flawed because he abused drugs, alcohol, women and had a moustache.

You say that like thats a bad thing 

[Ironside]

Incidentally Botham was flawed because he abused drugs, alcohol, women and had a moustache.

You say that like thats a bad thing 

i could let him off for the drugs alcohol and women

but that tash is a crime against humanity

and lets try and forget the mullet

[kinboshi]

Incidentally Botham was flawed because he abused drugs, alcohol, women and had a moustache.

Red-Dog's going to ban you .

[bobby1]

Incidentally Botham was flawed because he abused drugs, alcohol, women and had a moustache.

You say that like thats a bad thing 

i could let him off for the drugs alcohol and women

but that tash is a crime against humanity

and lets try and forget the mullet

I once knew a bloke that had a big moustache, when he was 19 he started a catering course at Uni. After a couple of days the tutor took him to one side and said that they encouraged the students to shave for hygiene purposes. My friend explained that his girlfriend had told him that she wanted him to have facial hair as it added a little for her in certain bedroom situations and the tutor just said 'fair enough, but just make sure you wash it thoroughly then'  

[Longy]

When saying someone is great poker player you judge their results on the poker table purely, I mean to judge them on their other weaknesses in life is bizarre to be honest unless it affects their ability to play poker. Money is the way of keeping score in poker and therefore the player who wins the most money can claim to be the best, admittedly this is has its exceptions like Jamie Gold winning a massive live donkament.

Stu Ungar was an amazing talent and had a rare ability for all card games including poker, his personal life did affect his performance at the tables and to say he was the greatest of all time I think is stretching it. He was the greatest gin rummy player who has ever lived no doubt about that. The greatest poker player ever has just died, Chip Reese. He won millons upon millons in the toughest games in the world.

Regarding bluescouse he definitely has some ability but he is playing off about 20bb's half the time therefore turning the game into a massive luck fest. Jamie Gold (esque) some might say.

how do you imagine running out of money affects their ability to play poker??

Well of course its pretty difficult if you are talking about "ability" to actually sit down in the game, but bankroll is not the judge of a good poker player imo. If you are talking about mental state then of course this is factor but there are many players who deal with playing with their last dollar well, Skalie at this years WSOP ME. Of course if this affects you then that goes down in the negative column about being a good poker player.

[MANTIS01]

Red-Dog's going to ban you

Well clearly there are exceptions to every rule, in this case Magnum P.I. and said Mr. Dog were born to exhibit such facial furniture. But this doesn't make it right.

[bobby1]

Incidentally Botham was flawed because he abused drugs, alcohol, women and had a moustache.

You say that like thats a bad thing 

i could let him off for the drugs alcohol and women

but that tash is a crime against humanity

and lets try and forget the mullet

I once knew a bloke that had a big moustache, when he was 19 he started a catering course at Uni. After a couple of days the tutor took him to one side and said that they encouraged the students to shave for hygiene purposes. My friend explained that his girlfriend had told him that she wanted him to have facial hair as it added a little for her in certain bedroom situations and the tutor just said 'fair enough, but just make sure you wash it thoroughly then'  

The same guy was due to play a snooker qtr final in the Sheff/Rotherham snooker league and asked me to lend him £50 so he could bet on himself saying he was a good thing, the day after he came around asking if he could pay me back later as he had lost. I asked him what happened and he explained that he had got home late from work and wolfed down his tea to get to the match on time. Halfway thru the first frame he was pondering a shot and ruffled his fingers thru his tache, to his horror he discovered a baked bean stuck in it and after going to the gents to remove the said item was then so embarrassed thinking about the people on the bus and in the club that must have seen his bean he couldn't concentrate.