Should I have folded?

[Graham C]

OK, it's a 50p post, I don't mind admiting it and it's worth it as I just have to post it.  It's the biggest cash pot I've ever lost (and probably would have been my biggest win if I'd won) but do you get away from the hand or am I always doomed?

PokerStars Game #7750674825:  Hold'em Pot Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/01/03 - 19:05:09 (ET)
Table 'Adria' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Knekt3 ($95.80 in chips)
Seat 2: Graham0573 ($118.65 in chips)
Seat 3: OisK ($28.10 in chips)
Seat 4: Kuntakinte04 ($47.15 in chips)
Seat 5: Malar01 ($72 in chips)
Seat 6: Arthur Dent ($192.45 in chips)
Seat 7: NurseAmanda ($71.20 in chips)
Seat 8: casualb ($103.45 in chips)
Seat 9: Stillman626 ($129.30 in chips)
Graham0573: posts small blind $0.50
OisK: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Graham0573 [  ]
Kuntakinte04: folds
Malar01: folds
Arthur Dent: folds
NurseAmanda: calls $1
casualb: calls $1
Stillman626: calls $1
Knekt3: raises $2 to $3
Graham0573: calls $2.50
OisK: folds
NurseAmanda: calls $2
casualb: calls $2
Stillman626: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Graham0573: checks
NurseAmanda: checks
casualb: checks
Stillman626: checks
Knekt3: bets $8
Graham0573: calls $8
NurseAmanda: folds
casualb: folds
Stillman626: folds
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Graham0573: checks
Knekt3: bets $12
Graham0573: calls $12
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Graham0573: bets $15
Knekt3: raises $57.80 to $72.80 and is all-in
Graham0573: calls $57.80
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Knekt3: shows [ ] (a full house, Queens full of Deuces)
Graham0573: mucks hand
Knekt3 collected $198.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $201.60 | Rake $3
Board [ ]
Seat 1: Knekt3 (button) showed [ ] and won ($198.60) with a full house, Queens full of Deuces
Seat 2: Graham0573 (small blind) mucked [  ]
Seat 3: OisK (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Kuntakinte04 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Malar01 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Arthur Dent folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: NurseAmanda folded on the Flop
Seat 8: casualb folded on the Flop
Seat 9: Stillman626 folded on the Flop


Well miffed off atm, it's been one of those nights.

[Graham C]

Actually, likewise did I get away with this do you think

PokerStars Game #7751175275:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/01/03 - 19:35:27 (ET)
Table 'Pherkad IV' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: majik4372 ($118.50 in chips)
Seat 2: DDigglerDD ($95.70 in chips)
Seat 3: Landon ($99.85 in chips)
Seat 4: Graham0573 ($43.20 in chips)
Seat 6: Heidi Flei$$ ($125.65 in chips)
Seat 7: JROCKEDJ ($83.90 in chips)
Graham0573: posts small blind $0.50
Heidi Flei$$: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Graham0573 [ ]
JROCKEDJ: folds
majik4372: folds
DDigglerDD: calls $1
Landon: folds
Graham0573: raises $3 to $4
Preußenhusar is connected
incognito76 joins the table at seat #9
Heidi Flei$$: calls $3
Preußenhusar has returned
glittergulch joins the table at seat #8
DDigglerDD: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [ ]
Graham0573: checks
Heidi Flei$$: checks
DDigglerDD: checks
*** TURN *** [ ] []
Graham0573: bets $10
Heidi Flei$$: folds
DDigglerDD: calls $10
*** RIVER *** [ ] []
Graham0573: bets $12
DDigglerDD: raises $69.70 to $81.70 and is all-in
Graham0573: calls $17.20 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DDigglerDD: shows [ ] (a pair of Nines)
Graham0573: shows [ ] (three of a kind, Queens)
Graham0573 collected $87.40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $90.40 | Rake $3
Board [ ]
Seat 1: majik4372 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: DDigglerDD showed [ ] and lost with a pair of Nines
Seat 3: Landon (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Graham0573 (small blind) showed [ ] and won ($87.40) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 6: Heidi Flei$$ (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 7: JROCKEDJ folded before Flop (didn't bet)

I'm not so sure I played this that well.  The checking the flop was brave and I think I may have been slightly tilting for a moment which is why I bet the turn.  Calling the flop raise was really a moment of 'it's either I'm getting something back tonight or I'll go home empty' type call.

[jezza777]

First one I lose my stack , although I bet the flop and prob get in on the turn.
2nd one I fire chunky bet on the flop , you cannot check top set on that board.

[Graham C]

Yes definately risking it on the flop in the 2nd, I know I got lucky there.

[NEVES]

 Hand 1 is just tough titty you cant help but get your reddies in.
 Hand 2 would you of called for the full amount on the river if you had of
 been deeper stacked.

[Highstack]

Paired boards are horrible for flushes when your opponent has shown strength through every street. I am probably not passing (except to all in) but why did you bet the river?

The pot was plenty big enough for 0.5/1 without the nuts. If you check call it probably costs you £15 instead of £70.

That said if you believe that you are miles in front, then you should have wanted the pot as big as you could get it and if you think you are behind pass, only your history with the other player would help here and we are not privvy to that info. IF its a marginal "He might have the full boat" then I think check-call is preferable.

[Smart Money]

I like the river bet. It's a typical blocker/value bet.

However as long as you know your opponent isn't a complete fool, then it's an easy fold to the re-raise.

[Smart Money]

Mind you I'd probably say the same about the second hand too, when you called and won. (You should bet the flop on this hand though.)